From jpeaceokc@yahoo.com Mon Jun 2 03:49:31 2003 From: jpeaceokc@yahoo.com (Robert Waldrop) Date: Sun, 1 Jun 2003 19:49:31 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [ok-sus] Food cooperative organizing committee meeting In-Reply-To: <20030531222931.23117.qmail@web40412.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20030602024931.14370.qmail@web40402.mail.yahoo.com> The Oklahoma Food Cooperative Organizing Committee will meet this coming Tuesday, June the 3rd, starting at 12 Noon, in the Patio Room of Epiphany Catholic Church, 7336 West Britton, in Oklahoma City. We will start with a pot luck lunch. We will have access to a full kitchen, and I will provide plates, cups, etc., and make coffee and tea There's a soft drink machine in the hall. To get to the church from I 40 and downtown Oklahoma City: Take I 40 East to I 44/Tulsa. Take the NW Expressway exit and go left (west). Continue on Northwest Expressway to Rockwell, make a right turn. Continue to Britton, make a left turn. The church is on the south side of the street (there is a Baptist Church on the north side of the street). There are two parking lots, go in the WEST parking lot and park by the gym, and go in those doors. The Patio Room is right there as you come in. We will start by talking about our business plan, and if we decide in fact that what we have been talking about is what we want to do, then we will try to finalize the budget, or as close as we can at this point, and go over line by line the draft articles of incorporation. We will get as much done as we can and decide when to meet again. The draft articles of incorporation are online at http://www.oklahomafood.org/artinc.htm . This meeting is open to everybody interested in the cooperative, so feel free to come along for all or part of the meeting. If anybody needs to talk to me personally about this, feel free to call me at 405 613 4688. If you need directions to the church from someplace else, call me or send me private email. this phone number is my cell phone so I will have it on me Tuesday if you get lost and need directions. The church phone number is 722 2110. Robert Waldrop, OKC http://www.oklahomafood.org __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Calendar - Free online calendar with sync to Outlook(TM). http://calendar.yahoo.com From jpeaceokc@yahoo.com Wed Jun 4 16:18:03 2003 From: jpeaceokc@yahoo.com (Robert Waldrop) Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2003 08:18:03 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [ok-sus] Oklahoma food project buying club In-Reply-To: <20030602024931.14370.qmail@web40402.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20030604151803.66458.qmail@web40409.mail.yahoo.com> The Oklahoma Food Cooperative Project has decided to organize a local food buying club system. This is something we can do right now, with the resources we have on hand, and will move us closer to opening cooperative stores that only sell local food. We will develop a list of local food products, prices, and availability. People will need to order and pay in advance, and then we will have regular drop off days and places. We think for now we will look at Norman, Edmond, and two Oklahoma City locations (one in the central area, and one in the far northwest, out by Rockwell and NW Expressway). We need to hear from both customers and producers that are interested in participating. Hopefully, we will be able to offer: + seasonal produce + goats milk + eggs + peanuts + grain + meat (beef, lamb, chicken) Producers need to provide us with both prices, availabilities, and some estimate of how much they will have available. There may be some minimum purchase levels. for example, one all natural producer in Webbers Falls has already said he can deliver to the OKC area 50 dozen eggs/week, at $2.75/dozen, but he needs a minimum order of 50 dozen to make it worth the drive. He can also bring chickens; both chickens and eggs would need to be ordered at least one week in advance. We have identified drop off points in Oklahoma City and Norman, but will need to find one in Edmond. What we are simply looking for is a parking lot we can meet at and can publicize as our buying club drop off point for that area. For now we are going to concentrate on the Oklahoma City area, because that is where most of those presently involved are at, but the technique is potentially replicable everywhere. For producers, what we are hoping to find is people in this area or people who will deliver to one central location in Oklahoma City (which is our place). So producers need to think about what their minimum delivery to the Oklahoma City area is that works for them economically and is in conjunction with their production practices. For things like meat, eggs, milk, some kind of regular delivery ability would be a plus, but it doesn't have to be every week. For meat in particular, this could be a once a month delivery. If we know that you could provide for example 50 pounds of hamburger once a month, then we can add that to our price list with the availability date. Produce will of course be seasonal, based on what is coming off to harvest at the time of delivery. We should also look at longer term orders. Now for example is the time to order turkeys for delivery at Thanksgiving and Christmas, and we are soliciting offers from growers to raise turkeys for the holiday season. Consumers can contact us directly, or they can form their own small networks, collating several orders, and designating a contact person to turn in the order and payments. In such cases, we could probably do additional drop off points, depending on the quantities involved. We will have some expenses with this, but they will be minimal, mostly gasoline for deliveries, some copying of flyers and such. There will be a small surcharge to cover that. Historically, nearly all grocery cooperatives begin as buying clubs, and we think that this is an essential first step towards opening cooperative groceery stores, and it also has the advantage of being something within our ability to start right now. Please pass this information along to others who may be interested in this. If you want to talk to me personally about this, call me at 405 613 4688. Robert Waldrop Oklahoma Food Project http://www.oklahomafood.org __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Calendar - Free online calendar with sync to Outlook(TM). http://calendar.yahoo.com From jrushton@riseup.net Wed Jun 4 22:39:05 2003 From: jrushton@riseup.net (John Rushton) Date: Wed, 04 Jun 2003 16:39:05 -0500 Subject: [ok-sus] new housing cooperative open in Norman! Message-ID: <3EDE66F9.1000908@riseup.net> Last September I posted a message looking for people interested in starting a housing cooperative in Oklahoma. After nine months, we have finally gotten it off the ground! The Oklahoma Cooperative Housing Association was officially incorporated last month, and we have opened our doors to new membership. Currently we have two openings, and we will have more in August when we move to a larger location. However, if more people are interested than we have actual living space for we would still love for you to participate. Both the current house, and the future one are located in Norman. We are looking for anyone interested in building and participating in a cooperative, democratic community; environmentally sustainable housing; and ultimately, we hope, an activist community center offering things like meeting space, arts and craft space, a lending library, etc. According to NASCO, North American Students of Co-operation (http://www.nasco.coop), "A cooperative is a business controlled by the people who use it. It is a democratic organization whose earnings and assets belong to its members." A housing co-op is generally owned by the residents of a house or apartment owned in turn by the co-op, providing cheap rent, community living, an experiment in democratic economics, and elements of home ownership without the major investment which the purchase of land by traditional means entails. Most housing co-ops provide homes for between fifteen and forty people, though more is not unheard of. Environmental sustainability is usually featured too, such as recycling, composting, and bulk and organic food, as well as more ambitious projects such as urban gardening. As it stands, we can house four people total. In August we are going to look for a larger place to rent, allowing us to house around six. In a year's time or so, after building some credit and experience, we plan to buy a house large enough for fifteen to twenty people. If you are interested please contact me at jrushton@riseup.net. Please forward to interested parties! Thanks! John Rushton From jpeaceokc@yahoo.com Sat Jun 7 18:40:29 2003 From: jpeaceokc@yahoo.com (Robert Waldrop) Date: Sat, 7 Jun 2003 10:40:29 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [ok-sus] yellow squash, new potatoes, and cucumbers available next Saturday In-Reply-To: <3EDE66F9.1000908@riseup.net> Message-ID: <20030607174029.59835.qmail@web40406.mail.yahoo.com> Next week Don McGehee of PDH Farms in Okemah will have yellow squash, new potatoes, and cucumbers, all certified organic. He has three drop off points: central OKC, Norman, and Edmond. He also has goats milk, free range eggs, pork and lamb. If you are interested in any of these locally produced foods, contact him directly at 405 944 5940, and put your order in for delivery next Saturday. He didn't say when the deadline is, but obviously the sooner you call the better since there is a limited supply. He is also filling 50 shares for his Community Supported Agriculture subscription program. Robert Waldrop, OKC http://www.oklahomafood.org __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Calendar - Free online calendar with sync to Outlook(TM). http://calendar.yahoo.com From jpeaceokc@yahoo.com Mon Jun 9 04:08:26 2003 From: jpeaceokc@yahoo.com (Robert Waldrop) Date: Sun, 8 Jun 2003 20:08:26 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [ok-sus] 2003 Cooperative Wheat Purchase In-Reply-To: <20030607174029.59835.qmail@web40406.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20030609030826.9313.qmail@web40414.mail.yahoo.com> Below is the text of a flyer for this year's cooperative wheat purchase. You can download a word perfect version of the flyer at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/okfoodret/files/wheatflyers.wpd and a rich text format version of the flyer is at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/okfoodret/files/wheatflyers.rtf . If there is sufficient interest, we can also arrange deliveries elsewhere, such as Tulsa. Please download one of these flyers, or use the text below to make your own, and make copies and distribute them to folks who might be interested in this. Robert Waldrop http://www.oklahomafood.org CERTIFIED ORGANIC WHEAT DIRECT FROM OKLAHOMA FARMERS TO YOUR HOME KITCHEN! This year we offer Certified Organic Hard Red Winter Wheat from two farms: PDH Farms in Okemah and John's Farm in Fairview. The PDH wheat is $15 for a 50 pound bag (a little less than a bushel, which is 60 pounds). The John's Farm wheat is $8 for a 25 pound bag, with a discount of 10% for purchases of multiple bags. DELIVERY: For the John's Farm wheat will need a minimum order of 50 bags for delivery to the Oklahoma City area. The PDH wheat will be delivered to three drop off points: Norman, central Oklahoma City, and Edmond, but it is a limited quantity, about 40 or 50 bushels total, while the John's Farm wheat from Fairview is available in major quantities (PDH has 2 acres of certified organic wheat, John's Farm has 1500 acres of certified organic wheat.) HOW TO ORDER: To order, send email to rmwj@soonernet.com with WHEAT in the subject line, or leave a message at 405 557 0436, or call Bob Waldrop at 405 613 4688 (cell phone). Wheat harvest is happening now, so we want to get this organized over the next two weeks. Payment will be made when the wheat is delivered. Know your wheat farmers! PD&H Farms, certified organic wheat. Don, Peggy, and Heather McGehee, Route 2 Box 109A, Okemah, OK 74859, 405-944-5940. John's Farm, John and Kris Gosney, Fairview, Oklahoma, 580 227 3452, certified organic wheat and certified organic oats (1500 acres of wheat!), by the bushel, half bushel, or by the truckload; and certified organic seed wheat... Oklahoma Food Cooperative Project www.oklahomafood.org 1524 NW 21, Oklahoma City, 73106, 405.557.0436 Coming Soon: Oklahoma Food Buying Club __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Calendar - Free online calendar with sync to Outlook(TM). http://calendar.yahoo.com From colyott@okstate.edu Tue Jun 10 22:26:23 2003 From: colyott@okstate.edu (Judith M Colyott) Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 16:26:23 -0500 Subject: [ok-sus] REMINDER: Native American Art Auction for Env. Ed. Scholarship - THIS SUNDAY Message-ID: This is a multipart message in MIME format. --=_alternative 0075C32C86256D41_= Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" May 29, 2003 Dear Friends: Dr. Ted Mills, Professor Emeritus of the Oklahoma State University (OSU) College of Education, has generously donated his collection of original Native American art to be auctioned. The proceeds will go toward establishing the Ted Mills Endowed Scholarship in Environmental Education at OSU. You are cordially invited to attend the auction on Sunday, June 15, 2003, in the Grand Ballroom of the Waterford Hotel, 6300 North Pennsylvania, Oklahoma City. You can preview the art beginning at 1 p.m., and the auction will commence at 2 p.m. The titles and artists for each piece of Dr. Mills' collection are listed at the end of this letter. If you are unable to attend the art auction, please consider making a gift to this Environmental Education Scholarship fund. To do so, please make your check payable to the OSU Foundation and write "Ted Mills Scholarship" on the memo line. Please mail the check to the College of Education Office of Development, 334 Willard Hall, Stillwater, OK 74078. If you have any questions, please contact the COE Office of Development at 405-744-7188. Dr. Mills is a pioneer in the field of environmental education with a deep love and respect for Native American peoples and their culture. For more than 25 years, he has advised and mentored students who have become leaders, administrators, communicators, and teachers in the field of environmental education around the country. He has received the Lifetime Achievement award from the Oklahoma Association for Environmental Education and has been inducted into the Oklahoma Higher Education Hall of Fame. Since his retirement from the College of Education at Oklahoma State University in 1996, he has remained an advocate for environmental involvement at local and global levels, and last year received the National Association of Environment Education's highest award for lifetime achievement. Please join us in honoring Dr. Mills and encouraging environmental education students by helping with this endeavor to establish an endowed scholarship. Sincerely, Dr. Christine Moseley Assistant Professor Oklahoma State University Dr. Suzanne Spradling, Associate Dean of Education St. Gregory's University, Shawnee Ms. Jeanine Huss, President Oklahoma Association of Environmental Educators The auction will feature the following original Native American works of art and other original works: ARTIST PAINTING Ba-Ta-Dee Flute Player W. Big Bow Singer Big Soldier Wood Burial Blackowl Indian Madonna Mothers Prayer Hoop Dancers (2) Sun Dance Eagle Dancer Dancer Busts (2) Buoen Long Cold Journey Alone Red Sun Cold M. Creeping Bear The Fisherman W. Crumbo Returning War Party Dawangyumptewa Golden Rods Blue Corn Fields Doc Tate N. Peyote Med. Man John Guthrie Bells of Yahoola Brooks Henson Healing Prayer Menchego Face and Eagle Tiana Proctor End of a Winter Day Bill Rabbit Guardian of the Crystals Robert Redbird Three Friends Dance Fan Warmth J.W. Rorex Bridges Silver Earrings Nightfall Standing Eagle Faces/Birds Peyote Abstract Willard Stone Green Corn Dancer Joey Tiger Foreseer Warrior Bow Hunter Dick West Founding of Bacone College Gary White Deer Thoughts Flowing Whirlwind Voices For an illustrated catalog or other information, please contact: The Colonial Art Gallery & Co. of Oklahoma City 405-232-5233 * colonialart@msn.com --=_alternative 0075C32C86256D41_= Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii"
May 29, 2003

Dear Friends:

Dr. Ted Mills, Professor Emeritus of the Oklahoma State University (OSU)
College of Education, has generously donated his collection of original
Native American art to be auctioned. The proceeds will go toward
establishing the Ted Mills Endowed Scholarship in Environmental Education at
OSU.  You are cordially invited to attend the auction on Sunday, June 15,
2003, in the Grand Ballroom of the Waterford Hotel, 6300 North Pennsylvania,
Oklahoma City. You can preview the art beginning at 1 p.m., and the auction
will commence at 2 p.m.  The titles and artists for each piece of Dr. Mills'
collection are listed at the end of this letter.  

If you are unable to attend the art auction, please consider making a gift
to this Environmental Education Scholarship fund.  To do so, please make
your check payable to the OSU Foundation and write "Ted Mills Scholarship"
on the memo line.  Please mail  the check to the College of Education Office
of Development, 334 Willard Hall, Stillwater, OK 74078.  If you have any
questions, please contact the COE Office of Development at 405-744-7188.    

Dr. Mills is a pioneer in the field of environmental education with a deep
love and respect for Native American peoples and their culture.  For more
than 25 years, he has advised and mentored students who have become leaders,
administrators, communicators, and teachers in the field of environmental
education around the country. He has received the Lifetime Achievement award
from the Oklahoma Association for Environmental Education and has been
inducted into the Oklahoma Higher Education Hall of Fame. Since his
retirement from the College of Education at Oklahoma State University in
1996, he has remained an advocate for environmental involvement at local and
global levels, and last year received the National Association of
Environment Education's highest award for lifetime achievement.

Please join us in honoring Dr. Mills and encouraging environmental education
students by helping with this endeavor to establish an endowed scholarship.

Sincerely,

Dr. Christine Moseley

Assistant Professor

Oklahoma State University



Dr. Suzanne Spradling,

Associate Dean of Education

St. Gregory's University, Shawnee



Ms. Jeanine Huss, President

Oklahoma Association of Environmental Educators


The auction will feature the following original Native American
works of art and other original works:
ARTIST PAINTING
Ba-Ta-Dee  Flute Player
W. Big Bow          Singer
Big Soldier Wood  Burial
Blackowl Indian Madonna
Mothers Prayer
Hoop Dancers (2)
Sun Dance
Eagle Dancer
Dancer Busts (2)
Buoen Long Cold Journey
Alone Red Sun
Cold
M. Creeping Bear The Fisherman
W. Crumbo Returning War Party
Dawangyumptewa Golden Rods
Blue Corn Fields
Doc Tate N. Peyote Med. Man
John Guthrie Bells of Yahoola
Brooks Henson Healing Prayer
Menchego Face and Eagle
Tiana Proctor End of a Winter Day
Bill Rabbit Guardian of the Crystals
Robert Redbird Three Friends
Dance Fan
Warmth
J.W. Rorex Bridges Silver Earrings
Nightfall
Standing Eagle Faces/Birds
Peyote Abstract
Willard Stone Green Corn Dancer
Joey Tiger Foreseer
Warrior Bow Hunter
Dick West Founding of Bacone College
Gary White Deer Thoughts Flowing
Whirlwind Voices



For an illustrated catalog or other information, please contact:
The Colonial Art Gallery & Co. of Oklahoma City
405-232-5233 * colonialart@msn.com

--=_alternative 0075C32C86256D41_=-- From jpeaceokc@yahoo.com Wed Jun 11 03:41:01 2003 From: jpeaceokc@yahoo.com (Robert Waldrop) Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 19:41:01 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [ok-sus] Alan Greenspan on the natural gas shortage In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20030611024101.86531.qmail@web40411.mail.yahoo.com> This is about as official as it gets. Here is a report regarding Alan Greenspan's remarks to a congressional committee regarding the increasingly problematic shortage of natural gas. The loose talk on the internet is spot prices approaching $30 mcf this next winter if we have a hot summer and a cold winter. Conservation is getting to be increasingly important. Anyway, this is old news to folks who have been reading this forum for the past few months, but it is nice to know that Mr. Greenspan has finally got the news. Robert Waldrop for ideas, see my website http://www.energyconservationinfo.org . >From CBS.MarketWatch.com, online at: http://cbs.marketwatch.com/news/story.asp?siteid=mktw&dist=nwtpm&guid=%7B662D1344%2D7848%2D4E2F%2D8816%2DC4087D2D2DDC%7D INDUSTRY HIT BY NATURAL GAS SQUEEZE 6/10/2003 3:26:30 PM By Rex Nutting WASHINGTON (CBS.MW) -- Industrial users of natural gas are feeling the pinch of the structural natural gas shortage in North America, Federal Reserve Chairman Alan Greenspan told Congress on Tuesday. Some industrial sectors have been priced out of the market and others have been put in a "weakened competitive position," the Fed chairman told the House Energy and Commerce Committee. Read his prepared remarks. "Unless this competitive weakness is addressed, new investment" in these industries will flag, Greenspan said. Some sectors of the U.S. economy are "based on $2 gas," Greenspan said. With prices spiking above $6 per million Btu, such prices are a "relic of the past," he said. "Today's tight natural gas markets have been a long time in coming, and futures prices suggest that we are not apt to return to earlier periods of relative abundance and low prices anytime soon," he said. Read Myra Saefong's natural gas outlook. Natural gas futures prices rose 1.6 cents to $6.33 on Tuesday. Prices fluctuated in a narrow band all day. Read Futures Movers. The spike in natural gas prices has not yet any a major impact on the broader economy, but it's only a matter of time before "we're going to see some erosion in some of the macroeconomic variables," he said. Greenspan made no comments on monetary policy in his prepared remarks. Comments he made last week left markets more persuaded that the Fed would cut rates in a couple weeks as an insurance move against deflation. See Irwin Kellner's commentary on the Fed. In the short run, natural gas imports cannot rise fast enough to meet the demand, Greenspan said. When asked specifically if he could recommend one thing Congress or the White House could do to quickly resolve the shortage, he replied simply, "No." In the longer run, the creation of a truly global market for natural gas, especially for liquid natural gas, is the best solution to the supply squeeze. A robust global market would serve as a "safety valve" for the inevitable supply shortages, he said. Greenspan also said government energy and environmental policies should be consistent. The country faces tough tradeoffs on economic, national security and environmental values, he said. Government's hand Earlier, the powerful chairman of the committee said the heavy hand of government is behind the looming energy crisis. Rep. Billy Tauzin, R-La., pointed the finger at federal policies that encourage consumption of natural gas on the one hand while discouraging development of supplies on the other. "If the train wreck occurs and natural gas prices skyrocket and shortages occur, who will be at fault?" he said. The producer? The consumer? Or perhaps the federal government? We see a storm brewing on the horizon. We need to prepare for it." Tauzin's committee heard from Guy Caruso, head of the government's Energy Information Administration, who testified that natural gas in storage had dropped to 623 billion cubic feet, the lowest since the mid-1970s. Stocks are 28 percent below the five-year average. On Monday, Energy Secretary Spencer Abraham called for a government-industry summit on natural gas to look at options for increasing supply and reducing demand. "The federal government is the not-so-invisible hand on the market, increasing demand and all the while decreasing supply," Tauzin said. "Talk about market manipulation!" Tauzin and industry representatives suggested that the federal government must open up more public lands to development of energy resources, especially natural gas. "Industry can explore and develop America's gas resources without harming the environment," said Richard Sharples, an executive with Anadarko Petroleum . Imports can fill some of the slack, but even the most aggressive buying wouldn't be enough, said Hal Kvisle, CEO of TransCanada . Conservation Democrats on the committee said conservation and efficiency efforts should take precedence over developing untrammeled lands in the West. Some public lands that are effectively locked out from development by regulatory hurdles could be opened up without harming pristine lands in national parks or wilderness areas, said Rep. Diana DeGette, D-Colo. Development of underground sources will take years to bring to market, however. "In the short run, we've got very limited options," Tauzin said. Energy shortages and volatile prices are natural consequences of how free capital markets work, argued Jeffrey Currie, a managing director at Goldman Sachs. Markets can't provide enough capital to build the extra storage and transportation capacity the system needs to get through peak times, Currie said. "Investment in energy infrastructure is distinctly unprofitable," he said. "Reserve or excess capacity should be viewed as a public good, just like a road, where markets fail to find a solution," Currie said. "The U.S. energy consumer would have most likely been made better off had the government taxes natural gas prices and used the proceeds to build infrastructure, just as it taxes gasoline to build roads." Copyright 1997-2003 MarketWatch.com, Inc. All Rights Reserved. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Calendar - Free online calendar with sync to Outlook(TM). http://calendar.yahoo.com From jpeaceokc@yahoo.com Wed Jun 11 20:00:12 2003 From: jpeaceokc@yahoo.com (Robert Waldrop) Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 12:00:12 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [ok-sus] OGE Signs windpower contract In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20030611190012.22351.qmail@web40407.mail.yahoo.com> This was posted on the OGE website. Robert Waldrop, OKC OG&E Signs Wind Power Agreement; Customers to Be Offered Wind Power Early Next Year OKLAHOMA CITY, Jun 11, 2003 /PRNewswire-FirstCall via COMTEX/ -- OG&E Electric Services announced today it has agreed to buy the electrical output from wind turbines planned for construction this year in northwestern Oklahoma, a major step forward for one of the largest public utility wind power initiatives in the United States. Responding to growing interest in power generated from renewable resources, OG&E soughtproposals from wind power developers that led to an agreement with FPL Energy LLC of Juno Beach, Fla., which will build and operate the wind farm near Woodward. OG&E expects to offer wind-generated power for sale to its customers beginning early in 2004. "We have made one of the largest wind power commitments in the United States and soon we will give our customers a chance to tell us how much wind power they want," said Jack Coffman, OG&E senior vice president for power supply. "This will enable us to test the costs and benefits of wind power on our grid in an environment of real supply and demand." OG&E is in the process of developing pricing options for the wind power, which it expects to announce later this year. Customers will likely be able to choose all or part of their electric service be generated from wind. If approved by the Oklahoma Corporation Commission, the project will create the largest commercial-scale wind energy facility in Oklahoma, doubling the capacity of FPL's Oklahoma Wind Energy Center to 102 megawatts. Plans call for 68 wind turbines spread over a 1,200-acre site near Woodward. FPL, the nation's largest wind power developer with 30 facilities in 10 states, will own and operate the generating equipment and OG&E will purchase the output for resale to its Oklahoma customers. Pending Corporation Commission approval of the wind power program, OG&E will actively promote it. OG&E also is interested in offering wind power to its customers in Arkansas, and will work with officials there to establish the necessary regulatory framework. As OG&E develops the specifics of its Oklahoma wind power pricing options, one thing is becoming clear -- it is likely to cost a bit more. "Because wind is unpredictable and sometimes insufficient to generate power, wind farms do not replace the traditional generating plants that must always be ready to pick up the power load," Coffman said. "Wind power provides an opportunity for fuel savings, but infrastructure requirements, development costs and other factors are expected to make it more expensive than the output from our existing fleet of generating plants." Still, OG&E expects many of its customers to choose wind power in support of this careful first step that lets them decide for themselves. OG&E is Oklahoma's largest utility, with 5,800 megawatts of coal- and natural gas-fueled generation serving 720,000 customers in a service territory spanning 30,000 square miles in Oklahoma and western Arkansas. OG&E is a subsidiary of Oklahoma City-based OGE Energy Corp. (NYSE: OGE), which also is the parent company of Enogex Inc., a natural gas pipeline and energy marketing business with principal operations in Oklahoma and Arkansas. SOURCE OGE Energy Corp. Brian Alford of OGE Energy Corp., +1-405-553-3187 http://www.oge.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Calendar - Free online calendar with sync to Outlook(TM). http://calendar.yahoo.com From rmwj@soonernet.com Thu Jun 12 01:56:26 2003 From: rmwj@soonernet.com (robert waldrop) Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 19:56:26 -0500 Subject: [ok-sus] An Okie greenhouse sunspace from Muskogee References: <20030611190012.22351.qmail@web40407.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3EE7CFBA.6DBB8985@soonernet.com> An Okie Greenhouse Sunspace From Muskogee. By Ron Wood http://www.bettertimesinfo.org Introduction by Robert Waldrop. Ron's essay began as an email thread on the New Okie Pioneers yahoo group. The simple practicality of Ron's greenhouse is one of the best examples I have seen of doing what you can, with what you have, where you are, so with Ron's permission I edited the various posts into a single narrative. Most of us do have a south facing wall, and the sun shines a lot in the winter. Even if such an installation doesn't provide all of one's heat, it will certainly replace some of your fossil fuel consumption, AND THUS it will save you money every year. The more energy prices rise, the more money you will "make" in the form of expenses you WON'T have to pay. Your project doesn't have to be a perfect and use the most expensive materials and maximize every possible efficiency. Yours can be "good enough" for your situation, and if that is what you can afford, it is better to do what you can afford regarding passive solar heating than to NOT take advantage of it at all because you can't afford to buy the Rolls Royce. And remember: procrastination on doing practical energy conservation projects will cost you lots of money. RMW A SHORT TREATISE IN WHICH PASSIVE SOLAR HEATING IS DEMYSTIFIED AND A PRACTICAL APPLICATION THEREOF IS DEMONSTRATED. By Ron Wood I built a house near Muskogee in 1977 with passive solar heating and have lived in it since that time. I had researched the matter thoroughly and was still astounded at how well it worked. I have found that on any sunny day with a high temperature above 32 degrees I need to open some windows for cooling. On the coldest day in the past 30 years with a high temp of 8 degrees the temp in my living room fell to 68 deg! My passive solar collector is an attached greenhouse on the south wall of my living room. The greenhouse has a footprint of about 30 ft by 8 feet, the south wall is 7 feet tall and is entirely glass; it is made of recycled windowpanes having only a single thickness. Double pane glass would be an improvement of course but I have had very good results anyway with my simple (and inexpensive) single pane windows.. The east and west walls are not glass since they will not receive any sunlight for at least half the day and will lose a lot of heat rapidly. The books say to build conventional well insulated walls on the side, which is what I did.. I have an outside door in both the east and west ends of the greenhouse for cross ventilation on hot days. I also have a door on each end of the greenhouse into the living room. With an ordinary box fan I can move air through one living room door into the greenhouse and out the other door back into the living room. I have an 18inch overhang on my greenhouse. The overhang is to keep the summer sun off your south wall. How much overhang depends on two things: 1. Your latitude, the farther north the more overhang is needed. 2. How tall your wall is. The taller the wall the more overhang is needed. If my wall were twice as tall I would need twice as much overhang. If your wall is taller than mine just increase your overhang in proportion to the wall height. I put a masonry floor in my greenhouse as a "thermal mass" to store the solar heat. In order to be effective a masonry floor must be insulated from the ground beneath or the heat just bleeds into the ground rather than warming your house. The floor can be insulated with rigid foam board insulation. It used to be that such foam board was of two types open and closed cell. The closed cell foam would not absorb or let water pass and was the type used for this application. Building supply folks could surely point you in the right direction. If you embed the foam in the fill sand under a masonry floor it won't be crushed. As to how much insulation to use in the floor, I really didn't think that one through when I built my greenhouse. I just used the insulation materials I had and that happened to be one inch thick. I'm pretty sure that is less than would be recommended. I have had no complaints about the results I have had with only one inch but I know it isn't up to specs. If I was doing it today, I would insulate the floor with as much insulation as I put in the walls. My floor has about 3 inches of fill sand with one inch of embedded insulation and is covered with flagstones from a recycled sidewalk. This amounts to not very much thermal storage. However even with what I have I very rarely add any supplementary heat for the houseplants in the greenhouse even on the coldest winter nights. Maybe a half dozen nights per winter the temp approaches freezing and then I leave a door to the living room slightly ajar with the smallest fire possible in my small gas space heater. Be sure to carefully pick the shade trees which you will want to plant on the south to shade your south facing glass. You want trees which give lots of shade in the summer and then quickly drop their leaves in the fall. Some trees do not drop their dead leaves until very late in the winter. Not good! I learned this the hard way with some big oaks on my south which were very reluctant to drop their leaves. As for the roof what you choose to do depends on just what you want. In my case I mostly wanted to collect solar heat and was less interested in greenhouse production. Therefore I chose to make a conventional insulated asphalt shingle roof which has the advantages of being easy to construct and does not lose as much heat as a glazed roof. The down side is that it darkens your greenhouse. But all is not lost. Plenty of light comes in along the glazed south wall to serve greenhouse needs. I have started bedding plants, grown lettuce etc. If your greenhouse does not project too far from the house (mine sticks out only 8 feet) there is plenty of light for most purposes throughout the space. If you make a greenhouse stick out too far from the house then you need a glazed roof to get enough light into the back of the space. If you do choose to glaze a portion of the roof a good material is the corrugated, UV resistant, patio roof material. They even make a double walled, higher R value glazing material which is more pricey but not prohibitive usually To sum up my project I could say that my intent was to grab as much solar heat as possible using the materials on hand without spending extra time and money to maximize all the efficiencies Good luck Ron Wood Muskogee, Oklahoma More information on solar heating, with a number of bells and whistles that can enhance the efficiency of your project: http://www.greenhouse.gov.au/yourhome/technical/fs14.htm from the Australian government. Northern hemisphere readers take note: Australia is in the southern hemisphere so they build solar collectors on the north side of the house. In the Northern Hemisphere, we put them on the south. Keep that in mind when reading this website. Other than that tricky detail, this website contains a very interesting and comprehensive, yet easy to understand, overview of using passive design features to heat and cool your home. http://www.greenbuilder.com/sourcebook/PassiveSol.html Sustainable Building Sourcebook, Passive Solar information. This website has a series of guidelines for passive solar heating and cooling, based on the Austin, Texas climate, if you want to maximize the efficiency of your passive solar project. For further information on sustainable living, visit: http://www.energyconservationinfo.org http://www.bettertimesinfo.org http://www.oklaomafood.org From jim@mindthunder.com Fri Jun 13 14:39:46 2003 From: jim@mindthunder.com (jim botkin) Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 08:39:46 -0500 Subject: [ok-sus] Fw: James Botkin, Defend Our Last Wild Forests Message-ID: <00e401c331b1$5f785580$b7b1fea9@sbcglobal.net> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Heritage Forests Campaign" To: "James Botkin" Sent: Friday, June 13, 2003 6:52 AM Subject: James Botkin, Defend Our Last Wild Forests Dear James Botkin, Earlier this week, the Bush Administration proposed two devastating policies that would open up vast swaths of our last wild forests to destructive logging and road-building, and essentially gut the immensely popular Roadless Area Conservation Rule. The first proposal allows the Forest Service to completely eliminate roadless area protections for all national forests in Alaska, including America's last wild rainforest, the Tongass National Forest. The second proposal would allow governors to exempt the national forests in their state from the roadless rule. As you may already know the roadless rule protects 58.5 million acres of wild national forests from most commercial logging and road-building. With much of America's national forests already open to logging, mining, and drilling, the rule was intended to preserve the last third of undeveloped forest lands as a home for wildlife, haven for recreation, and a heritage for future generations. Next week the Western Governors Association is meeting to discuss forest policy and we need the nation's governors to know that the Administration's actions are a major step backwards, and that you oppose these changes to the roadless rule. To send the letter below to your Governor all you need to do is REPLY to this letter, or, if you wish to edit your comments (highly recommended) visit: http://actionnetwork.org/campaign/governors/wsxusi49783b78 Additionally, please take a moment to call your Governor and tell him or her that you oppose these changes that will weaken the Roadless rule and leave our national forests vulnerable to more development. For a list of Governors' phone numbers and a sample phone script visit: http://www.ourforests.org/governors/index.html Over the next several months, the Forest Service will be required to accept public comments regarding these proposed rollbacks to the roadless rule. It is vital that the American people speak up and let it be known that they love our forests and do not want to see them clear cut and roaded. Your participation will be crucial, so please stay tuned and keep voicing your support of protections for our last wild forests, because once they're gone, they're gone forever. Thank you for your continued support. Sincerely, Rob Vandermark and Tiernan Sittenfeld Co-Directors, Heritage Forests Campaign You can take action on this alert either via email by choosing the "reply to sender" option on your email program, or via the web at: http://actionnetwork.org/campaign/governors/wsxusi49783b78 Visit the web address below to tell your friends about this important campaign. http://actionnetwork.org/campaign/governors/forward/wsxusi49783b78 INSTRUCTIONS TO RESPOND VIA THE WEB: If you have access to a web browser, you can take action on this alert by going to the following URL: http://actionnetwork.org/campaign/governors/wsxusi49783b78 INSTRUCTIONS TO RESPOND VIA EMAIL: Just choose the "reply to sender" option on your email program. Your letter will be addressed and sent to: Governors of states with roadless areas ----THIS LETTER WILL BE SENT IN YOUR NAME---- Dear [decision maker name automatically inserted here], I'm writing to voice my opposition to the Bush administration's recently announced plans to weaken the Roadless Area Conservation Rule. On Monday, June 9, 2003 the administration outlined two proposed changes to the roadless rule that would completely undermine the protections this landmark conservation policy affords my national forests. One change would allow governors to seek exemptions from the roadless rule for their states. Roadless areas in our national forests are federal lands that deserve federal protection. The roadless rule is a balanced policy that protects our last wild forests while making exceptions to ensure public health and safety. The rule was developed after years of debate and shares broad public support. Moreover, the Forest Service has received over 2.2 million comments in support of protecting our national forests. As you know, the roadless rule protects 58.5 million acres of wild national forests from most commercial logging and road-building. With more than one-half of America's national forests already open to logging, mining, and drilling, the rule was intended to preserve the last third of undeveloped forest lands as a home for wildlife, haven for recreation, and a heritage for future generations. The administration is also planning to exempt Alaska's Tongass National Forest from the roadless rule. The Tongass is not only our largest national forest but the only coastal temperate rainforest in the United States. Their proposal would allow the Forest Service to move forward with 50 proposed timber sales in roadless areas that should be protected by the roadless rule. I urge you to reject these harmful changes to the roadless rule that weaken the protections it provides my last wild forests. Additionally, I urge you to contact President Bush and ask him to uphold the original Roadless Area Conservation Rule as published in the Federal Register on January 12, 2001. Thank you for your consideration of my concerns on this very important conservation issue. ----END OF LETTER TO BE SENT---- Sincerely, James Botkin cc: Representatives with roadless areas in their state Seantors with roadless areas in their state If you would like to unsubscribe from Heritage Forests Campaign, you can respond to this email with "REMOVE" as the subject, or you can visit your subscription management page at: http://actionnetwork.org/Heritage_Forests/smp.tcl?nkey=wsxusi49783b78 *********************************** Powered by GetActive Software, Inc. The Leader in Online Campaigns http://www.getactive.com *********************************** From rmwj@soonernet.com Mon Jun 16 01:39:49 2003 From: rmwj@soonernet.com (robert waldrop) Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2003 19:39:49 -0500 Subject: [ok-sus] More data on oil production References: <20030611190012.22351.qmail@web40407.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3EED11D5.AF7A41C4@soonernet.com> The Association for the Study of Peak Oil had its second conference in May of this year at the French Petroleum Institute in Paris. Houston energy banker Matthew Simmons, who is also one of the Bush Administration's key energy advisors, gave a rather alarming presentation about the impact of depletion on current production of oil and gas and from the viewpoint of, "Let's use all the energy we want," the outlook is Not Good. He's saying the optimists AND the pessimist are wrong. The optimists say we have plenty of oil for the forseeable future; the pessimists have been saying, no oil production will peak somewhere around 2010 to 2020 and begin a perpetual decline. Simmons is saying, "oil production may be peaking right now." The full text is circulating but isn't on a website, it is rather long so instead of posting the whole thing, I am posting some key paragraphs. Anyone who would like to read the whole thing should send me email at rmwj@soonernet.com and I will send it to you via email. Robert Waldrop, OKc http://www.energyconservationinfo.org (ideas for energy conservation) [Regarding peak oil production] It might turn out actually to be one of the most important topics for the well being of the globe over the next fifty years, which basically (is), "Is the energy glass half full or half empty?" So let me, in the course of the next thirty or forty minutes, just share some of the issues that I think are important. First of all, the topic of whether the energy glass is half full or half empty is right. It basically elicits some of these talks from so many people that start out with positions saying, "The glass is half empty, we will never run dry." But the real issue is, basically speaking, does not basically mean running dry. The debate on how long the dwindling of supplies might take has been extremely controversial. In fact, I'd say that most of the debate has been one-sided. Optimists argue that the issue is still years away, and to their support is that it has never happened before and it's too often been predicted. And each time the future looks bleak, the optimists argue, it's always darkest before dawn. It is also interesting how many people look at undiscovered reserves and basically say that we really don't know how much we still have left to find, and that's true, but we also, with the evidence of the reserves, there's no guarantee that the reserves are actually there. I come back to the basics and say I think that one thing that we do all know is that oil and gas resources are genuinely non-renewable and so someday they will basically run out. And also, we are using 28 billion barrels a year, that's a lot of energy to be consuming. And peaking, as you all know, is different than running out. Is "peaking" an important question or issue? First of all, if you start out by saying usable energy is the world's most critical resource then obviously it is an important issue. Without volume energy we have no sustainable water, we have no sustainable food, we now have no sustainable healthcare. And since five-sixths of the world still barely uses any energy it really is an important issue. And since five-sixths of the world is still growing fast or too fast it's even a more important issue. What peaking does mean, in energy terms, is that once you've peaked, further growth in supply, is over. Peaking is generally, also, a relatively quick transition to a relatively serious decline at least on a basin by basin basis. And the issue then, is the world's biggest serious question. ... [on the ever increasing costs of finding and producing oil]. While conventional wisdom believes where there's a will there's a supply, real costs to maintaining flattening supplies soared. Between 1996 and 1999, the 145 Public E&P (exploration and production) companies which were worldwide, spent 410 Billion Dollars to merely keep their full production flat at about 30 Million barrels of oil per day. The Big Five, Exxon, Shell, BP, ChevronTexaco, and Total spent 150 Billion dollars between 1999 and 2002 to barely grow production from 16 billion barrels of oil a day to about 16.6. The Big Four, excluding Total, because their numbers weren't out yet, between the first quarter of 2002 and the first quarter of 2003 went from 14 million, 611 thousand barrels of oil equivalent per day to 14 billion 544. These four companies spent collectively over 40 billion dollars over a 12 month period of time actually lost 67 thousand barrels a day of total production. So while people were assuming costs would fall the cost to stay in the game went through the roof. . . . he Caspian Sea, other than one great discovery, potentially has been bad. And even the Middle East is starting to dig a remarkable string of dry holes. The single biggest reason that this supply surge that so many people assumed was happening for so long was that depletion became the missing link. The reason supply flattened out or peaked was not the lack of effort and no new technology. The industry in fact had many great successes over the last decade. But they were not about to offset depletion. Oil field technology created not an easy way to grow supply but a depletion rat race. Smaller new fields were found, technology allowed them to be commercial but we raised the climb rate to an amazing level and therefore it began to flatten out. . . . (On their study of Texas natural gas production.) Forecasting next year's decline still remains an art form. I don't think anyone has ever been very good at predicting bad news. There are many ways also to slow natural decline, but it takes money and effort, and it's only when you look back, after these remediation efforts have been done that it creates real depletion answers. But let me tell you that as you all know, wells, fields and basins really do deplete. Our firm a year ago conducted a very intensive analysis of what was happening to the natural gas supply in Texas by examining the detailed records of the Texas Drill Commission from 50% of the state's production in 53 counties. What we found was amazing. What we found was that in this 53 county area (this is 16% of the U.S. gas supply) the wells drilled in 2001, 2400 wells out of 37,000 wells that are in production created 30% of the total supply, and it turns out that 7% of these 2400 wells, 167 wells, created 49% of the supply and the other 93% of the wells created the remaining 51%. These giant 167 gas wells - a year later, we went back and tested their January 03 production; they had suffered a decline across the board of an average of 82% in a year, so wells do decline rapidly these days. The Cruz Beana field in Columbia, the biggest find in the Western Hemisphere since Prudhoe Bay, in 1991-92 it was still estimated that it could possibly exceed Prudhoe Bay or Hatchet. But it turns out that this field basically just barely gets 500,000 barrels a day. And in 2002 it's struggling to stay above 200,000 barrels a day. The Forty Field, which BP just recently sold to Apache peaked at approximately 500,000 barrels a day in the middle eighties and the oil production is now under 50,000 barrels a day. It still produces about 500,000 barrels a day of fluid, but the balance is processed water. . . . All of which highlights how difficult it is to basically get your hands around how much is left until you're looking back at events with hindsight. Hindsight turns out to be a wonderful, unreliable tool. Some events are unpredictable until after the fact. Some of the classic unpredictable events turn out to be weather, death, one's peak net worth and maybe the future of anything important. It turns out that peaking even for an individual well is only proven after the fact. And predicting peaking of energy has been an elusive art form for a long period of time. So back to the United States of America and our experiences in oil as a classic example of how hard it is to predict peaks. In 1956 Dr. Hubbert predicted in the early seventies... in the early seventies the United States would peak. In 1970 it was obvious he was wrong when the U.S. set a new record, the new U.S. peak. In 1981, what had been 9.6 million barrels by, at its peak was already down to 6.9 million barrels a day after a record drilling boom. And by 2003 this 9.6 billion barrel basin in 1970 is now close to 3 million barrels a day. The U.S. was Saudi Arabia in 1956. We had great statistics, we had total transparency and yet only one person predicted the peaking in 1970. Did the United States get a lot smarter? Well the U.S. Natural Gas experience is a great new case study. In 1999 the Natural Petroleum Council projected that supply growth in natural gas would be adequate to increase gas use by 36% by 2010. In 2001 we had a record drilling boom for Natural Gas. This failed to budge supply. In 2003 natural gas clearly faces a crisis. The United States and Canada is in decline. . . . In the early nineties the Caspian seemed to be the next Middle East. In 2001 we had 20 out of 25 dry holes that dampened the enthusiasm for the Caspian significantly. In 2001 Kashagan was finally discovered, deemed to be the greatest field in the decade. In 2002 BP and Stat Oil quietly sold their 14% of Kashagan for 800 million dollars. In 2003 British Gas put their 17% on the block for 1.2 billion dollars. Which raises, in my opinion, the question, "What do these original parties know about the world's greatest field or do they merely want to spread the wealth? I think what this all means is that non-OPEC oil, particularly outside the Soviet Union, is either peaking as we speak, or has already peaked. [emphasis in original] Any serious analysis now shows solid evidence that the non-F.S.U. (former Soviet Union) non-OPEC oil has certainly petered out and has probably peaked. F.S.U.'s supply is suspect or should be. A new frontier is always a possibility but it is becoming increasingly unlikely now that deep water is basically here and come and gone. . . . Middle East energy is the Promised Land. All roads the roads lead to Rome and to the future of oil and gas Rome is the Middle East. The Middle East is where we still have abundant reserves. It's still cheap to produce; it's still extremely unexplored. So if the rest the world is long in the tooth thank Allah for Mecca. But are we so sure this is the truth? It turns out that the Middle East oil and gas so far is not all over the Middle East. [emphasis in original] The Middle East covers an enormous land mass, but all of the oil and gas as we know it today is compressed into an interesting golden triangle. And all the great finds happened years ago. In the past three decades exploration success has been modest in the Middle East abyss. Is this because no one looked very hard or because there's not much else to find? Here is the interesting golden triangle of the Middle East; If you start at Kirkuk in the north and you draw a line down through the great oil fields of Iran, going down south and come over six or seven hundred miles picking up the great fields of the UAE and come back up 800 miles to Kirkuk virtually every field of any size between 1909 and the late sixties is probably in that basin. . . . But let me tell you about some of Saudi Arabia's oil and gas challenges. In Saudi Arabia there have been no major exploration successes since the late sixties. Almost all of Saudi's production comes from a handful of very old fields. Almost every field has high and rising water pressure. Ghawar, the world's largest field injects seven million barrels a day of seawater to prop up reservoir pressure. . . . But it turns out with a little bit of hindsight that the optimists turned out to be wrong. While the optimists estimate, the economist rectifies, the debate still rages on; the jury basically has now rendered the verdict. The optimists have lost. Too much field data now proves their total thesis was wrong. Supply never surged, demand did grow. But as it grows it still falls. This doesn't prove though that the pessimists were right. The pessimists unfortunately and ironically might also be wrong. Most serious scientists worry that the world will peak in oil supply. But most assume that this day of reckoning is still years away. Many also assume that non-conventional oil will carry us through several additional decades. They were right to ring the alarm bell. But they too might also be too optimistic. Non-conventional oil unfortunately is too non-conventional. Light oil is easy to produce and convert into usable energy. Heavy oil is hard to produce and extremely energy intensive and very hard to grow rapidly. It turns out the United States of America has nine fields left that still produce over 100,000 barrels a day. And three of the nine have turned out to be located in California and on average are 103 years old. The reason these fields are still there is that they're very heavy oil. And heavy oil can last forever but it's very hard to get out of the ground. And it takes a remarkable amount of energy to convert heavy oil into usable energy. Five years ago I barely had thought about the question of, "What does peaking mean and when might it occur?" I was intending at the time though to study the concept of depletion and the phenomenon that field after field was tending to peak fast and decline at rates that were unheard of before. The uh, uh, I think basically that now, that peaking of oil will never be accurately predicted until after the fact. But the event will occur, and my analysis is leaning me more by the month, the worry that peaking is at hand; not years away. If it turns out I'm wrong, then I'm wrong. But if I'm right, the unforeseen consequences are devastating. But unfortunately the world has no Plan B if I'm right. The facts are too serious to ignore. Sadly the pessimist-optimist debate started too late. The Club of Rome humanists were right to raise the 'Limits to Growth' issues in the late 1960's. When they raised these issues they were actually talking about a time frame of 2050 to 2070. Then time was on the side of preparing Plan B. They like Dr. Hubbert got to be seen as Chicken Little or the Boy Who Cried Wolf... 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------=_NextPart_000_00DB_01C33508.C2D11A40-- From rmwj@soonernet.com Wed Jun 18 04:57:40 2003 From: rmwj@soonernet.com (robert waldrop) Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 22:57:40 -0500 Subject: [ok-sus] Oklahoma Food Marketing Survey References: <00de01c33532$abe11e00$7e00a8c0@ok.cox.net> Message-ID: <3EEFE334.59885714@soonernet.com> Below is the text of a marketing survey we have prepared for our local food buying club/cooperative project. It would be very helpful to us if folks would take the time to complete this survey and send it in to us, either by email or by printing and mailing it. It is available online at http://www.oklahomafood.org/survey.htm . I also have a Word Perfect version available which I can send you as an attachment to an email. Please feel free to forward this message to others, and/or print the survey and pass it along to others who are interested in sustainably produced local food. Thanks for your help! Robert Waldrop OKC OKLAHOMA FOOD MARKETING SURVEY Oklahoma Food Cooperative Project, 1524 NW 21st, Oklahoma City, 73106 www.oklahomafood.org WE BRING THE FARMERS MARKET TO YOUR FRONT DOOR! The Oklahoma Food Cooperative Project is organizing a buying club as the first step towards opening local food cooperative retail stores. We invite you to BE A LOCAL HERO by completing this survey and sending it back to us either via email or by the post office. Before completing the survey, please read this short description of our business plan. + Each week we will post a price and availability list of products available directly from local farmers each week, including beef, pork, lamb, poultry, eggs, seasonal produce, grain, etc. The list can be mailed to persons without internet access. Customers will mail in their orders and payment, and the food will be delivered once each week. Customers will have the option of home delivery or picking up their order at designated drop off points and times in Oklahoma City, Norman, and Edmond. Delivery could be to a member's home or to a place of business. + There will be a small charge to sign up for the service (about $5). The purpose of this fee is to buy the equipment we need to provide this service, which is primarily refrigerators, freezers, and a scale lawful for use in trade. It is not an annual fee like a Sam's Club membership. We intend to buy used equipment to reduce costs of the setup. + There will be a small fee for each weekly order. The purpose of this fee is to pay the operating expenses of the ordering and delivery service, which includes mileage for delivery drivers, electricity to operate the refrigeration equipment, some postage and copying costs, and compensation for the workers. There will be an additional fee for home delivery, paid for each delivery. No fees or charges would be owed in any week where no order was placed. Members can volunteer to help with the labor and receive discounts/credits towards purchases at the rate of $7/credit or discount per hour. If you received this survey by email, and the formatting doesn't look right, it is available online at http://www.oklahomafood.org/survey.htm . This document in Word Perfect and Rich Text Format may be downloaded from the FILES section of our discussion group, http://groups.yahoo.com/group/okfoodret/ . I can also send it out as an email attachment. Completing the survey does not obligate you to be a member of the buying club. At this time, we are primarily interested in the Norman, OKC metropolitan area, and Edmond markets, but we strongly encourage people in other areas to complete the survey to help us gauge support in other cities. Thank you for your help with this project. Robert Waldrop SURVEY QUESTIONS Please answer these questions by placing an X between the parenthesis ( ) following the answer. If you want us to contact you about the progress of the buying club, please include your name and contact information with your survey response. If you prefer to respond anonymously, simply leave this information off of your response. Printed responses should be sent to Bob Waldrop, 1524 NW 21st, Oklahoma City, 73106. Email responses should be sent to rmwj@soonernet.com , with "LOCAL FOOD SURVEY" in the subject line. We need to receive the responses by July 5, 2003. .This survey and the accompanying information may be freely copied and distributed to others (as email or as a printed copy), and we encourage people to help this project on its way to success by passing the survey on to others who may be interested. The more responses we receive, the more encouraged we will be. Feel free to add any additional comments you think would be helpful to us. 1. What foods and nonfood products would you like to buy directly from farmers through a local food buying club/food cooperative? (Check all that you are interested in.) Food items: Beef ( ) Lamb ( ) Farm Raised Venison ( ) Eggs ( ) Chicken ( ) Turkey ( ) Goat meat ( ) Cows Milk ( ) Goats Milk ( ) , Seasonal Produce ( ) Fruit ( ) Honey ( ) Whole Grains ( ) Flour ( ) Rolled Oats ( ) Dried Corn ( ) Fresh corn on the cob ( ) Corn meal ( ) Herbs ( ) Dry Mixes ( ) Condiments ( ) Pecan ( ) Sunflower seeds ( ) Cut flowers ( ) Pumpkins ( ) Peanuts ( ) Butter ( ) Candy ( ) Jams, Jellies ( ) Pickles, relishes ( ) Non food products: Bath Soap ( ) Laundry detergent ( ) Herbal Body Care Products ( ) Herbal Medicinal Products ( ) Country Crafts ( ) Clothing ( ) Quilts ( ) Dried flowers ( ) Gourds ( ) Potpourri ( ) Other item(s) not mentioned above: 2. Have you ever bought food directly from a farmer? Yes ( ) No ( ) If yes, where? Roadside stand ( ) Farmers Market ( ) Direct purchase from a farm ( ) Community Supported Agriculture Subscription Service ( ) Fair ( ) Other ( ) specify: 3. Of these three choices, which is most important to you (check one): Price ( ) Quality ( ) Both price and quality are important to me ( ) 4. Please rank these possible classifications of local farm products in order of your preference. If any are not acceptable to you, leave blank.: + Certified organic local products ( ) + All natural local products (meets most organic standards, but not certified) ( ) + Local products that have had some commercial fertilizer, but no pesticides or herbicides ( ) + Local products grown with conventional agricultural practices ( ) 5. Which area would you prefer for your pickup or delivery? Central OKC (close to downtown) ( ) NW OKC (near NW Expwy & Rockwell) ( ) NE OKC ( ) SW OKC ( ) SE OKC/MWC/Del City ( ) Norman ( ) Edmond ( ) Other ( ) Specify: 6. Based on discussions thus far with the various producers, we are considering Monday and Tuesday as the preferred delivery/pickup days. For a Tuesday delivery/pickup, please indicate which time would be best: Morning ( ) Afternoon ( ) Evening ( ) Any of these work for me ( ) For a Monday delivery/pickup, please indicate which time would be best: Afternoon ( ) Evening ( ) Any of these work for me ( ) 7. Check one of the following: + I prefer a Monday delivery or pickup. ( ) + I prefer a Tuesday delivery or pickup ( ) + Neither Monday nor Tuesday works for me. ( ) + Either Monday or Tuesday is fine with me. ( ) If you check the "neither Monday nor Tuesday" option, answer this question: I would prefer to pick up my order, or have it delivered to my home or business, on: Wednesday ( ) Thursday ( ) Friday ( ) Saturday Note: at this time we expect that order pickup on days other than Monday or Tuesday would be only at the central OKC location. 8. Home delivery will be based on paying a delivery fee per order delivered. Check one. + I would pay $5 to have my order delivered to my home or business on Monday or Tuesday.( ) + I would pay $10 to have my order delivered to my home or business on a day other than Monday or Tuesday. ( ) 9. How much do you generally spend each week for eggs, cheese, meats and poultry, and vegetables? $15 ( ) $25 ( ) $35 ( ) $50 ( ) $75 ( ) More than $75 ( ) Varies/not sure ( ) Decline to answer ( ) 10. To cover the buying club expenses, we are considering two options: a percent of the order amount (2.65% added to the customer's bill) , or a flat fee (around $2.00 per weekly order). + I prefer to pay a percent of my bill (2.65%. ( ) + I prefer to pay a flat fee. ($2) ( ) + No preference ( ) 11. Do you do any home preservation or processing of foods? Yes ( ) No ( ) No, but I would like to learn ( ) If yes, which methods do you presently use? Making jams/jellies ( ) Dehydrating ( ) Making my own dry mixes like pancake mix, brownie mix, etc. ( ) Boiling water canning of fruits and high acid products like pickles ( ) Pressure canning of vegetables, soups, meats ( ) Freezing ( ) If your answer is "No, but I would like to learn, which methods are you interested in? (Check all that interest you.) Making jams/jellies ( ) Dehydrating ( ) Making my own dry mixes like pancake mix, brownie mix, etc. ( ) Boiling water canning of fruits and high acid products like pickles ( ) Pressure canning of vegetables, soups, meats ( ) Freezing ( ) If you want us to contact you about the buying club, please list your name and contact information. Thanks for your help with this project! From ecojy@yahoo.com Wed Jun 18 12:41:47 2003 From: ecojy@yahoo.com (eco jy) Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 04:41:47 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [ok-sus] Don't forget about our upcoming wind power and bioenergy conference! Message-ID: <20030618114147.64359.qmail@web10401.mail.yahoo.com> > > Hi All, > > I just wanted to make sure you haven't forgotten > about our June 19th > conference and June 20th workshop. Please register > soon if you plan to > come, so we will have an accurate food count. If > you register by Tues. > the 17th, you can still get in at the 'early-bird' > rate (i.e.: disregard > the higher fee for registration after June 11th.) > > Don't forget we are getting a NEG MICON wind turbine > hub in on the back > of a semi - this is similar in size and model to the > wind turbine going > in at Blue Canyon this summer. Also, Fowler Honda > is providing a hybrid > car. And of course we will have lots of great talks > and exhibits > inside. > > If you still need a registration form, you can > download that from our > web site. You can also view the complete agenda, by > linking to > conference web site through: > > http://www.seic.okstate.edu/OWPI > > I hope you will come. Please share this with anyone > else you think > might be interested. > > Regards > > Tim > > > ---------------------------------------------- > Tim Hughes > Director, OK Wind Power Initiative > Founding Member, OK Renewable Energy Council > Environmental Verification and Analysis Center > 3200 Marshall Avenue, Suite 110 > Norman, OK 73072-8032 > Work: 405-447-8412 Fax: 405-447-8455 > OWPI web: http://www.seic.okstate.edu/OWPI > OREC web: http://www.seic.okstate.edu/OREC > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com From Susie.Shields@deq.state.ok.us Wed Jun 18 15:38:22 2003 From: Susie.Shields@deq.state.ok.us (Shields, Susie) Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 09:38:22 -0500 Subject: [ok-sus] Packaging made from corn Message-ID: In green packaging, corn replaces petroleum=20 17 June 2003 By Samuel Fromartz, Reuters=20 WASHINGTON - Wild Oats Markets Inc. became the first grocery store in = the United States to roll out a new type of green packaging which looks = like plastic but turns into compost after disposal. Unofficially called = the Corntainer in the natural food chain's 11 Pacific Northwest stores = where it is being tested, the clear packaging is made from corn rather = than petroleum.=20 Employees have been dishing up salads, cheese, desserts, and other deli = products in the containers for the last three weeks and touting the = product in the stores' marketing brochures.=20 Wild Oats is also giving consumers the option of returning the = containers to its stores, from where it will subsequently be delivered = to a recycling company in Oregon. The containers will be composted and = made into organic soil, which will then be sold at its stores.=20 While the environmental benefits play well with green consumers, this = product is one of several at the forefront of an approach using = renewable resources in industrial applications. The product also brings = together what may seem like unusual bedfellows: environmentalists and = corporate entities behind the bio-plastic, like Cargill Inc. and Dow = Chemical Co.=20 Advocates say that agricultural-based products like the new container = reduce petroleum dependency, environmentally harmful emissions and = landfill waste.=20 "The response has been fantastic," said Mark Cockcroft, regional = marketing manager at Nature's, the Northwest unit of Wild Oats. By the = fall, the company plans to roll out the container nationally to 77 = stores. Although the product costs 40 to 50 percent more than plastic = packaging, Wild Oats is not passing the extra cost on to the customer. = It expects the price will come down as the product becomes more = widespread.=20 Corporate Environmentalists "We are very excited by Cargill Dow and other users of bio-industrial = crops," said Mark Ritchie, president of the Institute for Agriculture = and Trade Policy, a farm and environment research group based in = Minneapolis. "My impression is this (company) is motivated by people who = know we can't go on burning oil and not destroy our climate," said = Ritchie, whose group has been working with Cargill Dow and other = companies to create a set of sustainable farming standards for = bio-industrial crops. These standards, he said, would emphasize renewing = soil fertility, protecting scarce water resources, and reducing = fertilizers and pesticides.=20 Cargill Dow LLC, the Minnetonka, Minn., joint-venture making the = material, spells out its environmental mission on its Web site, where = its tag line states: "Unlike every other revolutionary product, this one = won't change the world." The company has invested $750 million in the = product and is selling it globally.=20 Aside from the containers, the raw material known as PLA, or = polylactide, is being used to spin fibers for such products as = mattresses, comforters, pillows, and rugs. This year, Cargill Dow = expects to be at full capacity at a new plant in Blair, Neb., churning = 40,000 bushels of corn a day into 140 million metric tons (300 million = pounds) of PLA annually. In the process, it will cut greenhouse gas = emissions by 15 to 60 percent compared with the conventional materials = it replaces. Cargill Dow Spokesman Michael O'Brien said market studies = show PLA could reach 1 billion pounds a year by 2013, using up one-half = of 1 percent of the corn grown in the United States.=20 Cargill Dow is not alone in the market. Companies ranging from Procter & = Gamble Co. to Japan's NEC Corp. are working on similar bio-plastic = technologies.=20 Europe, Japan Early Adopters Cargill began developing the process 14 years ago, fermenting the = dextrose, or sugar, in corn syrup into lactic acid and then refining it = into small pellets of PLA. In 1997, it formed a venture with Dow = Chemical to market the product and found eager buyers in Japan, where = landfills are limited. It then entered Europe, where packaging producer = Ilip began making a range of food containers. IPER, a European grocery = chain, began using the containers in 21 Italian stores. O'Brien said = another 1,000 European stores will soon announce adoption of the = product.=20 In the United States, Seattle-based Pacific Coast Feather Co. began = selling bedding with the fiber version of the product, known as Ingeo, a = year ago.=20 "We were very attracted to the environmental benefits," said Fritz = Kruger, vice president of marketing at Pacific Coast. "It's on the front = end of a very big trend."=20 From Susie.Shields@deq.state.ok.us Wed Jun 18 17:33:29 2003 From: Susie.Shields@deq.state.ok.us (Shields, Susie) Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 11:33:29 -0500 Subject: [ok-sus] Pollution in your own backyard? Message-ID: =20 The Environmental Defense Fund (EDF) has developed a website with = pollution information in your local area. Just type in your area code = for local pollution statistics and list of offenders: www.scorecard.org/community/ From sshields@cox.net Thu Jun 19 00:18:55 2003 From: sshields@cox.net (Susie Shields) Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 18:18:55 -0500 Subject: [ok-sus] San Francisco Adopts Precautionary Principle Message-ID: <007601c335ef$fdb10ac0$7e00a8c0@ok.cox.net> This is terrific news . . . =======================Electronic Edition======================== . . . RACHEL'S ENVIRONMENT & HEALTH NEWS #765 . . ---March 20, 2003--- . . (Published June 18, 2003) . . HEADLINES: . . SAN FRANCISCO ADOPTS THE PRECAUTIONARY PRINCIPLE . . ========== . . Environmental Research Foundation . . P.O. Box 160, New Brunswick, N.J. 08903 . . Fax (732) 791-4603; E-mail: erf@rachel.org . . ========== . . All back issues are on the web at: http://www.rachel.org . . in text and PDF formats. To subscribe (free), send E-mail . . to listserv@lists.rachel.org with the words . . SUBSCRIBE RACHEL-NEWS YOUR FULL NAME in the message. . . The Rachel newsletter is also available in Spanish; . . to learn how to subscribe in Spanish, send the word . . AYUDA in an E-mail message to info@rachel.org. . ================================================================= SAN FRANCISCO ADOPTS THE PRECAUTIONARY PRINCIPLE The San Francisco Board of Supervisors adopted the precautionary principle as city and county policy June 17, 2003, a stunning and unprecedented breakthrough in the management of environmental matters in the U.S. The vote carried 8 to 2. The long political road to the June 17 vote began when San Francisco mayor Willie Brown hired Jared Blumenfeld to head the city's Department of the Environment.[1] Under Blumenfeld's guidance, San Francisco government spent more than 2 years studying and debating how to integrate the precautionary principle into city- and county-wide policy. It was Blumenfeld who corraled the political resources to put precaution on the agenda in San Francisco. But the dream of a city guided by the precautionary principle originated with a breast cancer activist -- Joan Reinhardt Reiss of the Breast Cancer Fund (San Francisco). At least three years ago, she phoned Carolyn Raffensperger of the Science and Environmental Health Network (Ames, Iowa), the leading proponent of precautionary thinking in the U.S. Reiss also contacted attorney Sanford Lewis (Waverly, Mass.), who drafted preliminary language for an ordinance. Seeds were planted. Early on, Katie Silberman of the Center for Environmental Health (Oakland) joined Reiss in the drive for precaution in San Francisco. In 2001, Reiss and Silberman introduced Raffensperger to Blumenfeld. Wheels began turning. Reiss and Silberman were joined by Davis Baltz of Commonweal (Bolinas and Oakland). Together they developed the Bay Area Precautionary Principle Working Group.[2] Other key actors were Randall Hayes and Francesca Vietor. Hayes, the founder of Rainforest Action Network, is now a member of Commission on the Environment for the City and County of San Francisco. He headed up an ad hoc committee on the precautionary principle for the Commission. Vietor used to hold the job now held by Blumenfeld, directing the San Francisco Department of the Environment. She now works for Commonweal, which is run by Michael Lerner and Sharyle Patton. Vietor used her political skills and knowledge to keep things moving. Gary Erickson, founder of Clif Bar (http://www.clifbar.com), organized a business breakfast at the San Francisco Foundation to catalyze business interest in precaution. It worked. Many small businesses in San Francisco came to support the emerging precautionary policy. It helped that Frank Ackerman and Rachel Massey at Tufts University had written their report titled "Prospering With Precaution," showing that precautionary policies create jobs and are profitable for business.[3] The work of other precaution activists in Massachusetts -- notably Lee Kettelson and Joel Tickner -- was instrumental as well. While Jared Blumenfeld was working inside San Francisco government to develop precautionary policies, the Bay Area Working Group built a coalition of non-governmental organizations (NGOs) to support and critique the language developed by Blumenfeld and his colleagues. The San Francisco White Paper on Precaution is one of the best statements of the principle available today.[4] Both the NGOs and San Francisco government called upon the Science and Environmental Health Network (http://www.sehn.org) frequently for strategic thinking, language, and support. SEHN staff Nancy Myers, Ted Schettler, and Carolyn Raffensperger put in countless hours helping San Francisco achieve its goal. But in the end it was a combined grass-roots victory. Some of the NGOs involved included (in alphabetical order), Bayview Hunters Point Community Advocates (San Francisco), Breast Cancer Action (San Francisco), The Breast Cancer Fund (San Francisco), Center for Environmental Health (Oakland), Citizens for a Better Environment (CBE, San Francisco), Clean Water Action (San Francisco), Commonweal (Bolinas and Oakland), Consumer Action (San Francisco), Environmental Research Foundation (New Brunswick, N.J.), Green Action (San Francisco), Physicians for Social Responsibility (San Francisco and Los Angeles chapters), Redefining Progress (Oakland), The San Francisco Foundation, Science and Environmental Health Network (Ames, Iowa), Urban Habitat (Oakland), and The Women's Cancer Resource Center (Oakland). As you read through this policy, ask yourself, would my local work be easier if precaution were official policy in my community? Why not campaign to make it so? Text of the San Francisco Precautionary Principle Policy: Chapter 1 Precautionary Principle Policy Statement Sec. 100. FINDINGS. The Board of Supervisors finds and declares that: A. Every San Franciscan has an equal right to a healthy and safe environment. This requires that our air, water, earth, and food be of a sufficiently high standard that individuals and communities can live healthy, fulfilling, and dignified lives. The duty to enhance, protect and preserve San Francisco's environment rests on the shoulders of government, residents, citizen groups and businesses alike. B. Historically, environmentally harmful activities have only been stopped after they have manifested extreme environmental degradation or exposed people to harm. In the case of DDT, lead, and asbestos, for instance, regulatory action took place only after disaster had struck. The delay between first knowledge of harm and appropriate action to deal with it can be measured in human lives cut short. C. San Francisco is a leader in making choices based on the least environmentally harmful alternatives, thereby challenging traditional assumptions about risk management. Numerous City ordinances including: the Integrated Pest Management Ordinance, the Resource Efficient Building Ordinance, the Healthy Air Ordinance, the Resource Conservation Ordinance, and the Environmentally Preferable Purchasing Ordinance apply a precautionary approach to specific City purchases and activities. Internationally, this model is called the Precautionary Principle. D. As the City consolidates existing environmental laws into a single Environment Code, and builds a framework for new legislation, the City sees the Precautionary Principle approach as its policy framework to develop laws for a healthier and more just San Francisco. By doing so, the City will create and maintain a healthy, viable Bay Area environment for current and future generations, and will become a model of sustainability. E. Science and technology are creating new solutions to prevent or mitigate environmental problems. However, science is also creating new compounds and chemicals that are already finding their way into mother's milk and causing other new problems. New legislation may be required to address these situations, and the Precautionary Principle is intended as a tool to help promote environmentally healthy alternatives while weeding out the negative and often unintended consequences of new technologies. F. A central element of the precautionary approach is the careful assessment of available alternatives using the best available science. An alternatives assessment examines a broad range of options in order to present the public with different effects of different options considering short-term versus long-term effects or costs, and evaluating and comparing the adverse or potentially adverse effects of each option, noting options with fewer potential hazards. This process allows fundamental questions to be asked: "Is this potentially hazardous activity necessary?" "What less hazardous options are available?" and "How little damage is possible?" G. The alternatives assessment is also a public process because, locally or internationally, the public bears the ecological and health consequences of environmental decisions. A government's course of action is necessarily enriched by broadly based public participation when a full range of alternatives is considered based on input from diverse individuals and groups. The public should be able to determine the range of alternatives examined and suggest specific reasonable alternatives, as well as their short- and long-term benefits and drawbacks. H. This form of open decision-making is in line with San Francisco's historic Sunshine Act, which allows citizens to have full view of the legislative process. One of the goals of the Precautionary Principle is to include citizens as equal partners in decisions affecting their environment. I. San Francisco looks forward to the time when the City's power is generated from renewable sources, when all our waste is recycled, when our vehicles produce only potable water as emissions, when the Bay is free from toxins, and the oceans are free from pollutants. The Precautionary Principle provides a means to help us attain these goals as we evaluate future laws and policies in such areas as transportation, construction, land use, planning, water, energy, health care, recreation, purchasing, and public expenditure. J. Transforming our society to realize these goals and achieving a society living respectfully within the bounds of nature will take a behavioral as well as technological revolution. The Precautionary approach to decision-making will help San Francisco speed this process of change by moving beyond finding cures for environmental ills to preventing the ills before they can do harm. Sec. 101. THE SAN FRANCISCO PRECAUTIONARY PRINCIPLE. The following shall constitute the City and County of San Francisco's Precautionary Principle policy. All officers, boards, commissions, and departments of the City and County shall implement the Precautionary Principle in conducting the City and County's affairs: The Precautionary Principle requires a thorough exploration and a careful analysis of a wide range of alternatives. Using the best available science, the Precautionary Principle requires the selection of the alternative that presents the least potential threat to human health and the City's natural systems. Public participation and an open and transparent decision making process are critical to finding and selecting alternatives. Where threats of serious or irreversible damage to people or nature exist, lack of full scientific certainty about cause and effect shall not be viewed as sufficient reason for the City to postpone measures to prevent the degradation of the environment or protect the health of its citizens. Any gaps in scientific data uncovered by the examination of alternatives will provide a guidepost for future research, but will not prevent protective action being taken by the City. As new scientific data become available, the City will review its decisions and make adjustments when warranted. Where there are reasonable grounds for concern, the precautionary approach to decision-making is meant to help reduce harm by triggering a process to select the least potential threat. The essential elements of the Precautionary Principle approach to decision-making include: 1. Anticipatory Action: There is a duty to take anticipatory action to prevent harm. government, business, and community groups, as well as the general public, share this responsibility. 2. Right to Know: The community has a right to know complete and accurate information on potential human health and environmental impacts associated with the selection of products, services, operations or plans. The burden to supply this information lies with the proponent, not with the general public. 3. Alternatives Assessment: An obligation exists to examine a full range of alternatives and select the alternative with the least potential impact on human health and the environment including the alternative of doing nothing. 4. Full Cost Accounting: When evaluating potential alternatives, there is a duty to consider all the costs, including raw materials, manufacturing, transportation, use, cleanup, eventual disposal, and health costs even if such costs are not reflected in the initial price. Short- and long-term time thresholds should be considered when making decisions. 5. Participatory Decision Process: Decisions applying the Precautionary Principle must be transparent, participatory, and informed by the best available information. Sec.102. THREE YEAR REVIEW. No later than three years from the effective date of this ordinance, and after a public hearing, the Commission on the Environment shall submit a report to the Board of Supervisors on the effectiveness of the Precautionary Principle policy. Sec. 103. LIST OF ALL ENVIRONMENTAL ORDINANCES AND RESOLUTIONS. The Director of the Department of the Environment shall produce and maintain a list of all City and County of San Francisco ordinances and resolutions which affect or relate to the environment and shall post this list on the Department of the Environment's website. Sec. 104. CITY UNDERTAKING LIMITED TO PROMOTION OF GENERAL WELFARE. The Board of Supervisors encourages all City employees and officials to take the precautionary principle into consideration and evaluate alternatives when taking actions that could impact health and the environment, especially where those actions could pose threats of serious harm or irreversible damage. This ordinance does not impose specific duties upon any City employee or official to take specific actions. In adopting and undertaking the enforcement of this ordinance, the City and County of San Francisco is assuming an undertaking only to promote the general welfare. It is not assuming, nor is it imposing on its officers and employees, an obligation for breach of which it is liable in money damages to any person who claims that such breach proximately caused injury nor may this ordinance provide any basis for any other judicial relief including, but not limited to a writ of mandamus or an injunction. ========== [1]See http://www.sfgov.org/sfenvironment/aboutus/director.htm . [2] See http://www.breastcancerfund.org/pp_main.htm . [3] See http://www.breastcancerfund.org/pp_precaution.htm . [4] "White Paper - The Precautionary Principle and the City and County of San Francisco" (March, 2003). See http://www.breastcancerfund.org/pdfs/white_paper.pdf . From Bryce.Hulsey@deq.state.ok.us Wed Jun 18 20:29:57 2003 From: Bryce.Hulsey@deq.state.ok.us (Hulsey, Bryce) Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 14:29:57 -0500 Subject: [ok-sus] wood chip available Message-ID: Up to 800 yards of wood chips loaded free of charge into your truck(s). = Please hurry need to find a use for these other than landfill. Call Eddy = Mathews in Luther @ 405-231-1505 From Chikaskia@aol.com Thu Jun 19 05:39:38 2003 From: Chikaskia@aol.com (Chikaskia@aol.com) Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 00:39:38 EDT Subject: [ok-sus] Tall Grass Prairie Picnic- Tulsa Group Name Change Message-ID: <18a.1bb1364e.2c22988a@aol.com> --part1_18a.1bb1364e.2c22988a_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit i am forwarding this from our local planning committee listserv~ curtis andrew beckwith Dear Sustainability Friends, I just wanted to alert you to a couple of noteworthy items. First, Sustainable Tulsa is our new name. We have changed from Tulsa Metro Chapter of Oklahoma Sustainability Network to Sustainable Tulsa due to confusion with other local groups. We are still a chapter of Oklahoma Sustainability Network. Second, we have a fun outing planed for this month. On this coming Saturday, June 21, 2003, we will meet at All Souls Unitarian Church at noon and caravan to the Tall Grass Prairie for a hike from 2-4 P.M. Bring a litterless lunch, and a desert to share. Join us as we view the baby buffalo; take a nature walk with friends. If you have not yet seen the Tall Grass Prairie, this is an excellent opportunity to see one of Oklahoma's valued treasures. Any question, call Corey Wren Williams at 838-3288 or the Prairie Gift Shop at (918) 287-3623. Hope to see you this Saturday. Corey --part1_18a.1bb1364e.2c22988a_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable i am forwarding this from our local planning commit= tee listserv~ 
curtis andrew beckwith

Dear Sustainability Friends,

I just wanted to alert you to a couple of noteworthy items. First, Sustainab= le Tulsa is our new name. We have changed from Tulsa Metro Chapter of Oklaho= ma Sustainability Network to Sustainable Tulsa due to confusion with other l= ocal groups. We are still a chapter of Oklahoma Sustainability Network.

Second, we have a fun outing planed for this month. On this coming Saturday,= June 21, 2003, we will meet at All Souls Unitarian Church at noon and carav= an to the Tall Grass Prairie for a hike from 2-4 P.M. Bring a litterless lun= ch, and a desert to share. Join us as we view the baby buffalo; take a natur= e walk with friends. If you have not yet seen the Tall Grass Prairie, this i= s an excellent opportunity to see one of Oklahoma's valued treasures.

Any question, call Corey Wren Williams at 838-3288 or the Prairie Gift Shop=20= at (918) 287-3623.

Hope to see you this Saturday.

Corey
 --part1_18a.1bb1364e.2c22988a_boundary-- From rmwj@soonernet.com Fri Jun 20 03:35:00 2003 From: rmwj@soonernet.com (robert waldrop) Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 21:35:00 -0500 Subject: [ok-sus] Clues for Okie Coolness References: <18a.1bb1364e.2c22988a@aol.com> Message-ID: <3EF272D4.6F533350@soonernet.com> Clues for Okie Coolness: On the JOYS of Living without Air Conditioning in Oklahoma, Simple ways to minimize air conditioning and save big bucks on your summer electric bills. By Robert Waldrop http://www.energyconservationinfo.org/noacok.htm Keeping cool without AC, or while minimizing air conditioner usage, is not rocket science. It's mostly common sense. These suggestions are distilled from our four year experience of living without air conditioning in Oklahoma City. It should be remembered that our advice is for this particular climate, but ideas may be found here for use elsewhere. 1. Stay hydrated. Drink lots of water. Avoid soft drinks and caffeine, these will dehydrate you, as does alcohol. The idea that an ice cold soda pop is the perfect solution to thirst is a delusion fostered by hundreds of millions of dollars of advertising and its purpose is to enrich the stockholders and management of soda pop corporations at your expense. The more soda pop you drink, the more thirsty you will be, the hotter you will feel, and thus the more uncomfortable you will be in hot weather. Soda pop advertisements are LIES! This is a problem with both sugared and sugar free soft drinks. 2. Dress for the season when inside your house. Wear shorts and a light shirt. Loose fitting clothes are cooler and more comfortable than tight fitting garments. Go barefoot or wear sandals. Natural fabrics are cooler than synthetics. At night, use light cotton sheets on your bed. Minimize indoor fabrics, as fabric increases interior humidity. This is good in the winter, but bad in the summer. People living without air conditioning should probably opt for no carpet on the floors; during the winter they can lay down area rugs, but roll them up and put them away during the summer. 3. In the summer, shade is your friend. Keep the sun's heat from hitting windows, doors, walls. Install window shades on the outside of your house; indoor curtains are not enough (although they will help). Once the sun hits the glass and window frame, the heat is conducted inside the house, even if you have indoor curtains, so shade them in addition to your curtains. Be creative and you won't spend much money. We have had great success using mylar covered "bed mats" that are about 6' X 2'. They cost a dollar at a local store. We duct tape three of them together and hang them on the outside of our windows. Then we cover that with a white roll up shade, which is mostly for appearance. An inexpensive bamboo roll-up window shade works fine, and we have also used those automobile window shades with reflective surfaces. One or more curtains inside will help, and choose white or another light color (sheets are do-able and cheap, & more is better). Don't forget to shade the doors if you don't have a porch. Shade cloth is available and can be used over windows, although it costs more. The best choice for your wall shade is vegetation. Although it takes many years to grow a tall tree, vines grow in just a few weeks. Morning glories provide plenty of shade plus flowers that are beautiful to look at. We have grape vines on our trellis, so not only do we get shade, we also get tasty grapes to eat. If you have indoor thermal mass, such as concrete or brick floors, a masonry fireplace, etc., make sure it is shaded so it doesn't soak up heat during the day. (The opposite of what you want to do in the winter, of course.) 3. When keeping cool without any air conditioning, the basic rule is: keep the house closed up during the day when it is hot outside, and ventilate it in the evening and at night when it is cooler. At night we put box fans in the windows to pull cool air in and hot air out of the house, and we open nearly every window and door to facilitate cross breezes. During the day we close up the house to keep the heat out, usually between 7 and 8 AM, depending on the outside temperature. We sometimes run a small window fan in a window that pulls air that has been cooled by our shady trellis during the day, but we keep the rest of the doors and windows closed. You may find exceptions to this rule, so in the beginning you will want to experiment to find the right combination for your own particular situation, which is influenced by the design and construction of your dwelling and the microclimate of its site. 4. Keep the air moving around inside. We use ceiling fans and rotating fans to create breezes in the house during the day and the night. Moving air can knock ten degrees off of the apparent temperature, so fans can add considerably to indoor comfort. They can also be used in conjunction with conventional air conditioning. With breezes inside, you can set the thermostat temperature higher than would be the case without the fans. Box fans are good for use in windows, but for other indoor uses, they are inefficient and usually noisy, rotary fans are better. Variable speed fans will help you get the right amount of air. 5. Insulation and weatherization help moderate indoor temperatures in the summer too. 6. Ventilate your attic. We did this during our third summer without air conditioning, and it added appreciably to the indoor comfort level. 7. Minimize heat buildup inside the house. If you have a dishwasher, don't use it or at minimum don't use the heat dry at the end of the cycle. Take cool or lukewarm showers, rather than hot steamy showers. (If you aren't using AC, you won't want a hot shower in the summer anyway.) Check your electronic equipment. Many devices such as "instant on" televisions draw current all the time, and thus create heat. Plug them into an electrical outlet strip and turn it off and on with the switch on the electric outlet strip, and thus eliminate the "hot plates" adding heat to the indoor climate. Don't use the clothes dryer, hang your clothes on a line outside to dry. If your neighbors ask what you're doing, tell them you are using your "solar clothes dryer". If you smoke, do so outside. Turn your computers off when they are not in use. One of the biggest contributors to indoor heat and humidity is cooking, so during the summer, we cook outside, on the porch. I set up a "summer kitchen" on our shady front porch (on the north side of the house). This consists of a small two burner camp stove, and a conventional backyard gas grill. Both are hooked to 20 pound propane bottles, and seem to be fairly thrifty with their propane consumption, especially the 2 burner camp stove. To use a 20 pound bottle with such small stoves, which usually run on a small one pound or so bottle, you need a special adaptor, sold at most propane and outdoor supply stores. We also have a large gas ring (advertised as a "turkey fryer") for boiling larger amounts of water. When I make pickles in the summer, my boiling water canner fits it perfectly, and it brings the water to a boil much faster than the natural gas stove in the house. A little roller cart, bought at a garage sale, completes the setup. I have a cast iron skillet with a cover, it makes a fine "dutch oven" so that the gas grill becomes an oven for baking casseroles or biscuits. I do the prep work in the regular indoor kitchen, load everything onto the cart, and roll it out onto the front porch for cooking. When I cook outside, and see the large clouds of smoke and steam rising from the pans, I am reminded about how much heat and humidity cooking contributes to indoor atmospheres. Cooking outside also makes sense for people with air conditioning, because the AC will have to work hard, and consume energy, and thus cost you extra money, every time you cook a meal. 8. If you are using no air conditioning at all, try to stay out of air conditioned spaces. I am most uncomfortable when I come home from my "perfectly" air conditioned office. But on my days off, when I generally stay out of air conditioned spaces, I am more comfortable. You body does acclimate itself to your surroundings, whatever they may be. 9. A window air conditioner is more efficient than a whole house central air conditioner IF you only use it to cool one room. If you can't afford to cool your whole house, or if you want to be responsible and use less energy while not quite being ready to ditch AC entirely, then cool only one or two rooms, and use the other strategies listed above in the rest of the house. Another money and energy saving strategy is to wait for the hot heat of July and August to use your air conditioner. 10. If the heat becomes oppressive, dowse your head, arms, and feet with cool water, or take a cool shower, or (my favorite) go outside and dowse yourself with a water hose. Keep a spray bottle of cool water handy, and give yourself a little spritz every once in a while. The title of this little essay is not a joke. Life is a joy, and I don't miss air conditioning, ESPECIALLY when I open our electric bill in the summer. Fans make less noise than air conditioners, and the gentle breezes inside the house are refreshing, as is going outside and spraying myself (and others) with the water hose. Abandoning or minimizing your air conditioner habit is a way to increase the quality of your life. As with any other movement towards sustainability, do what you can, with what you have, where you are. Summer 2003 From rmwj@soonernet.com Sun Jun 22 01:37:34 2003 From: rmwj@soonernet.com (robert waldrop) Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2003 19:37:34 -0500 Subject: [ok-sus] Local food producer survey References: <18a.1bb1364e.2c22988a@aol.com> <3EF272D4.6F533350@soonernet.com> Message-ID: <3EF4FA4E.D8A706D6@soonernet.com> In case there are any farmers, or folks producing a food or herbal product, that are on this list, here is our local food marketing survey for producers. (And keep those consumer surveys coming, if you missed the email, it is online at http://www.oklahomafood.org/survey.htm . Remember, the more surveys that are returned, the more encouraged we will be, and the more likely it will be that this project will succeed. Robert Waldrop, http://www.oklahomafood.org OKLAHOMA FOOD PRODUCER SURVEY Oklahoma Food Cooperative Organizing Project 1524 NW 21st, Oklahoma City, 73106 http://www.oklahomafood.org/producersurvey.htm We Bring the Farmers Market to Your Front Door. The Oklahoma Food Cooperative Organizing Project is developing an order/delivery service to gauge support in the metropolitan Oklahoma City area for opening one or more retail grocery cooperatives that specialize in Oklahoma grown and processed foods. The business plan from the producer's viewpoint is fairly simple and straightforward. Please read this short description of our proposal, and if you are interested in participating, fill out the survey which follows. You can send your survey by email to rmwj@soonernet.com or you can send it by mail to Producer Survey, c/o Bob Waldrop, 1524 NW 21, OKC, 73106. We would like to receive responses by July 5th. Each week we will post a price and availability list of products available directly from local farmers through our order/delivery service, including beef, pork, lamb, poultry, eggs, seasonal produce, grain, and processed products like flour, jams, jellies, pickles, etc. The list will be mailed to persons without internet access. Customers will mail in their orders and payment to use and pickup or have their food delivered later in the week. As soon as we get an order, we will contact the appropriate producer(s) by email to place the order; for producers without internet access, we will do this by telephone. For beef, pork, poultry, we will also assist customers in combining orders to meet producer needs/requirements (such as putting together several people to take a whole beef or hog, etc.) Products will deliver their product to a central location in Oklahoma City. We have tentatively identified Monday as the preferred producer delivery day, but we will probably also be able to accept deliveries on Saturday afternoons between about 12 noon and 3 PM. You will be paid for your delivered orders at the time you deliver them. The producer will be responsible for preparing the orders and labeling them so that all we have to do is put the appropriate product in the customer's bag for the week. In other words, suppose you are supplying carrots and lettuce, and have 50 orders, ranging in amounts from 1 to 5 pounds each, for various customers. You will deliver your product already divided among those customers, and labeled with their identifying information. If you want to deliver bulk product for us to divide, we will do that, but we will have to charge for that service as it involves labor on our end. Producers must specify/describe their production practices at the time they list their products on our weekly order sheet. You must give us a written statement about each of your products regarding its status, and if certified organic, you must include a copy of your state certification. In your statement, you must give the exact location(s) where the crop(s) was or were grown, animals were raised, or product was processed. The location must be detailed enough so that we can find it if we choose to verify your statement. "These tomatoes were grown in a field four miles south on US 183, and then one mile west on a county road, of Frederick, Oklahoma, on the north side of the road. Because we are strictly specializing in Oklahoma products, and must protect our own reputation and developing brand name, we will consider false statements about the origin or production standards of products listed with us to constitute fraud. Our production categories include: + Oklahoma Certified Organic. Producer's products have been certified as organic by the Oklahoma Department of Agriculture. + Oklahoma All Natural. Substantially complies with organic standards, but has not been officially certified by the state. These products cannot have had any herbicides or pesticides applied to them, or for animal products, no antibiotics o animal product in their feed and no growth hormones. Animal and poultry products must be free ranging and not products of Confined Animal Feeding Operations, but may receive non certified organic feed.. + Oklahoma Standard. No herbicides or pesticides, but the products may have had some commercial fertilizer involved in their production. + Oklahoma Commercial. Produced using conventional agribizness practices, which may include commercial fertilizers, herbicides, and pesticides. You will set your own prices, and will receive the full price you set for your products, with no commissions paid to our ordering and delivery service, unless you decide to deliver in bulk for us to divide into individual orders. Our expenses will be paid via small surcharge added to the customer's bill. All products must be locally grown or processed in the state of Oklahoma, by the farmer or processor listing the product. You cannot list or sell any products through our service that you do not grow or process yourself. There will be a small charge to sign up for the service (about $5 to $10). This is a one time fee, per producer and customer, and is not an annual fee like a Sam's Club membership. If you are interested in participating as a producer, please complete the enclosed survey and send it back to us as soon as possible. Do not send any money with the survey. We are presently also conducting a marketing survey in the Oklahoma City metropolitan area, and if it looks like there is enough producer and consumer interest to make this a workable proposition, we will contact you early in July with our startup date and details. Robert Waldrop, Oklahoma Food Cooperative Organizing Project OKLAHOMA FOOD PRODUCER SURVEY 1. What products are you interested in selling through our order/delivery service? List all products, which of our product categories they will fit into (certified organic, all natural, Oklahoma standard, Oklahoma commercial) and your expected prices and availabilities. If you need additional space, use additional paper. 2. What will your minimum order be for delivery to our central Oklahoma City location? (Not minimum order per person, but minimum order in total that will make it worth your while to come into town to deliver to us, such as 500 pounds of assorted produce, or 200 pounds of beef, or 50 dozen eggs, whatever it is for you.) 3. Check your preferred delivery time: Monday ( ) Time: Morning ( ) Afternoon (until 3 PM) ( ) Saturday between 12 noon and 3 PM ( ) ( ) Neither of these days work for me. I prefer to deliver (specify): 4. For animal products such as beef, pork, lamb, where will your products be processed at? Thanks for participating in the survey. If you have any additional comments or questions, please include them with your response. From lvfarms@yahoo.com Sun Jun 22 16:50:19 2003 From: lvfarms@yahoo.com (Pamela Harmon) Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2003 08:50:19 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [ok-sus] Recycling Cardboard products in Tulsa? Message-ID: <20030622155019.48020.qmail@web41212.mail.yahoo.com> Help.... In the past I have taken good clean cardboard mailing boxes to mail outlet shops to be reused. Most shops are not no longer reusing old boxes, so now what? I also would like to recycle our cereal and other food boxes, when we have them. I am having a difficult time finding a place which takes them for recycling. Can anyone out there give me some guidance? Pam from Tulsa __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! 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Saturday June 28th 3:00 to 5:00 pm (come anytime if not available for full period) Where: Oklahoma State University-Oklahoma City 900 N. Portland Ave. Oklahoma City, OK 73107-6195 (405) 947-4421 1-800-560-4099 room: Presidential suite in Student Center Agenda: sign up members, discuss mission statement, plan for events, file papers for ASES chapter, see solar and renewable energy items on display, network. Please try to make it if you can. thank you John Miggins 918-809-7223 --- End forwarded message --- From j