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Starting: Mon Oct 1 10:15:42 PDT 2007
Ending: Wed Oct 31 19:08:52 PDT 2007
Messages: 294

• [ok-sus] National Conversion on Climate Action in Tulsa   Rita Scott
• [ok-sus] National Conversion on Climate Action in Tulsa   Friedrich, Perry
• [ok-sus] National Conversion on Climate Action in Tulsa   Cain, Nancy
• [ok-sus] National Conversion on Climate Action in Tulsa   Deborah Dalton
• [ok-sus] National Conversion on Climate Action in Tulsa   Jean MCMAHON
• [ok-sus] October 3-Change a Light, Change the World Campaign   Wanda DeBruler
  • [ok-sus] October 3-Change a Light, Change the World Campaign   Broyles, Gil
• [ok-sus] Carbon Capture and Storage Issues   Broyles, Gil
• [ok-sus] Why does OG&E want to burn coal?   Broyles, Gil
  • [ok-sus] Why does OG&E want to burn coal?   Shauna Struby
    • [ok-sus] Why does OG&E want to burn coal?   Broyles, Gil
      • [ok-sus] Why does OG&E want to burn coal?   Shauna Struby
  • [ok-sus] OG&E financial interest in burning coal . . .   Harlan Hentges
    • [ok-sus] OG&E financial interest in burning coal . . .   Broyles, Gil
      • [ok-sus] OG&E financial interest in burning coal . . .   David Rushton
      • [ok-sus] OG&E financial interest in burning coal . . .   Broyles, Gil
      • [ok-sus] OG&E financial interest in burning coal . . .   David Rushton
    • [ok-sus] OG&E financial interest in burning coal . . .   Kelley C Smith
• [ok-sus] carbon neutral building?   Broyles, Gil
  • [ok-sus] carbon neutral building?   Padre
    • [ok-sus] carbon neutral building?   Broyles, Gil
  • [ok-sus] Question about solar in Oklahoma   Padre
    • [ok-sus] Question about solar in Oklahoma   John Miggins
  • [ok-sus] carbon neutral building?   Maronek, Dale
• [ok-sus] Promoting Energy Conservation   Broyles, Gil
  • [ok-sus] Promoting Energy Conservation   tcoffman at ou.edu
    • [ok-sus] Promoting Energy Conservation   Broyles, Gil
      • [ok-sus] Discussion on Global Climate Change   Rita Scott
      • [ok-sus] Discussion on Global Climate Change   Julie Gahn
• [ok-sus] A threat to social justice and political freedom in Oklahoma   Robert Waldrop
  • [ok-sus] REMINDER-Sustainable Green Country Meets Tonight @ 6:00P.M.   Rita Scott
• [ok-sus] Recycle Olympics Youth event - October 18th in Tulsa   Ande Reed
• [ok-sus] Why wouldn't OG&E and gas producers push advanced rail development?   Gtelmore at aol.com
  • [ok-sus] Why wouldn't OG&E and gas producers push advanced raildevelopment?   Broyles, Gil
• [ok-sus] Question about solar in Oklahoma   Thinkcivic at aol.com
• [ok-sus] A question about OG&E's participation in OSN discussion   Harlan Hentges
  • [ok-sus] A question about OG&E's participation in OSN discussion   Broyles, Gil
  • [ok-sus] A question about OG&E's participation in OSN discussion   Shauna Struby
    • [ok-sus] A question about OG&E's participation in OSN discussion   Robert Waldrop
      • [ok-sus] A question about OG&E's participation in OSN discussion   Shauna Struby
    • [ok-sus] A question about OG&E's participation in OSN discussion   Meissler, Reinhild E.
• [ok-sus] new solar PV system takes home power-generating to the next level   Shauna Struby
• [ok-sus] Fwd: Arbuckle-Simpson presentations at the OWRRI/Governors Water Confe rence ...   Skinee666 at aol.com
• [ok-sus] Fw: Follow Construction of he HGTV Green Home on HGTV Pro   Sylvia Pratt
• [ok-sus] Clear demand for "expensive solutions"   juliegahn at sbcglobal.net
• [ok-sus] A question about OG&E's participation in OSN discussion   Harlan Hentges
  • [ok-sus] A question about OG&E's participation in OSN discussion   Broyles, Gil
    • [ok-sus] Harlan's participation   Harlan Hentges
      • [ok-sus] Harlan's participation   Broyles, Gil
      • [ok-sus] Harlan's participation   Shauna Struby
• [ok-sus] Earth to Chesapeake   Harlan Hentges
  • [ok-sus] Earth to Chesapeake   Robert Waldrop
• [ok-sus] Spin alert! Relying on ogne   Harlan Hentges
  • [ok-sus] Spin alert! Relying on ogne   Robert Waldrop
    • [ok-sus] Bob's Titanic Comment   Jane Talkington
• [ok-sus] Renewables & Grid Power vs. Individual Power   Leslie Moyer
  • [ok-sus] Renewables & Grid Power vs. Individual Power   Broyles, Gil
    • [ok-sus] Renewables & Grid Power vs. Individual Power   Julie Gahn
• [ok-sus] Demand-side Management: A lesson from Vermont   Leslie Moyer
  • [ok-sus] Demand-side Management: A lesson from Vermont   Montelle Clark
• [ok-sus] A question about OG&E's participation in OSN discussion   DEUXMOOSE at aol.com
  • [ok-sus] A question about OG&E's participation in OSN discussion   Deborah Dalton
• [ok-sus] National Solar Tour (& Oklahoma tour locations)   Leslie Moyer
• [ok-sus] FW: One week to Webinar, "Introduction to Social marketing" (Friday October 12)   Wilkins, Dianne
• [ok-sus] Weatherization Day is October 30   Wanda DeBruler
• [ok-sus] Why wouldn't OG&E and gas producers push advanced rail development?   Gtelmore at aol.com
  • [ok-sus] LIVE DEMO! Green Remodeling Seminar in Stillwater Oct 18   Jane Talkington
• [ok-sus] A question about OG&E's participation in OSN discussion   Skinee666 at aol.com
  • [ok-sus] A question about OG&E's participation in OSN discussion   Meissler, Reinhild E.
• [ok-sus] Cities' initiatives are fueling change   Shauna Struby
• [ok-sus] Majority of Americans Want Local Action on Global Warming   Shauna Struby
• [ok-sus] Harlan's participation   Skinee666 at aol.com
  • [ok-sus] FW: PROTECTINGAMERICA.ORG E-NEWS--re Insurance along the coasts   Julie Gahn
  • [ok-sus] Global Triple Threat Teach In   Julie Gahn
• [ok-sus] Re: (ok-sus) Cities' initiatives are fueling change   Gtelmore at aol.com
  • [ok-sus] Re: (ok-sus) Cities' initiatives are fueling change   Jean MCMAHON
    • [ok-sus] Re: (ok-sus) Cities' initiatives are fueling change   BFiggins
      • [ok-sus] Re: (ok-sus) Cities' initiatives are fueling change   gtelmore at aol.com
• [ok-sus] Renewables & Grid Power vs. Individual Power   Robert Waldrop
  • [ok-sus] Renewables & Grid Power vs. Individual Power   Kelley C Smith
    • [ok-sus] Renewables & Grid Power vs. Individual Power   Robert Waldrop
      • [ok-sus] Renewables & Grid Power vs. Individual Power   Kelley C Smith
      • [ok-sus] Renewables & Grid Power vs. Individual Power   Jane Talkington
  • [ok-sus] Renewables & Grid Power vs. Individual Power   Shauna Struby
    • The municipal power option, was Re: [ok-sus] Renewables/ & Grid Power vs. Individual Power   Robert Waldrop
      • The municipal power option, was Re: [ok-sus] Renewables/ & Grid Power vs. Individual Power   Broyles, Gil
      • The municipal power option, was Re: [ok-sus] Renewables/ & Grid Power vs. Individual Power   Robert Waldrop
      • The municipal power option,was Re: [ok-sus] Renewables/ & Grid Power vs. Individual Power   Deborah Dalton
      • [ok-sus] Individual Power!   Harlan Hentges
      • [ok-sus] Individual Power!   Shauna Struby
      • [ok-sus] Individual Power!   Deborah Dalton
    • [ok-sus] Renewables & Grid Power vs. Individual Power   Leslie Moyer
      • [ok-sus] Leslie's water comment   Jane Talkington
      • [ok-sus] Leslie's water comment   Kelley C Smith
      • [ok-sus] Leslie's water comment   Deborah Dalton
      • [ok-sus] Leslie's water comment   Broyles, Gil
      • [ok-sus] Leslie's water comment   Harlan Hentges
      • [ok-sus] Leslie's water comment   Leslie Moyer
      • [ok-sus] Renewables & Grid Power vs. Individual Power   Broyles, Gil
      • [ok-sus] Smart electric meters   Shauna Struby
      • [ok-sus] Smart electric meters   Broyles, Gil
      • [ok-sus] Smart electric meters   Shauna Struby
      • [ok-sus] Smart electric meters   Broyles, Gil
      • [ok-sus] Smart electric meters   Montelle Clark
      • [ok-sus] Smart electric meters   Shauna Struby
• [ok-sus] Re: (ok-sus) Cities' initiatives are fueling change   Robert Waldrop
• [ok-sus] PBS Environmental Series Available to Colleges   Ande Reed
• [ok-sus] FW: Tools of Change Newsletter   Shawna K. Turner
• FW: [ok-sus] economy and the environment   Shauna Struby
• FW: [ok-sus] Is OG&E considering solar thermal or biomass?   Shauna Struby
• [ok-sus] Coca-Cola, National Recycling Coalition Launch Recycle Bin Grant Program   Miles, Karen
• [ok-sus] The Public's Health Gets Taken to the Cleaners   Miles, Karen
• [ok-sus] From NY Times: Seattle's Recycling Success Is Being Measured in Scraps   Miles, Karen
• [ok-sus] PSO Rate Increase Granted   Wanda DeBruler
• [ok-sus] AP:Heating Costs Seen Jumping This Winter   DEUXMOOSE at aol.com
  • [ok-sus] Oklahoma Agritourism and Alternative Agriculture Conference-Ardmore Nov, 6th & 7th   Rita Scott
• [ok-sus] FW: New Health Alert: Multistate Salmonella Outbreak   Shauna Struby
  • [ok-sus] RE: [OSNBoard] Environmental Group to hold annual meeting   Seneca Scott
  • [ok-sus] State Efforts to Improve Environment   Seneca Scott
• [ok-sus] Something rotten in the state of Oklahoma   Gtelmore at aol.com
• [ok-sus] Carbon Paw Print: Making Your Pet Greener   Miles, Karen
• [ok-sus] Al Krebs passed on today   Harlan Hentges
• [ok-sus] Manufactured Landscapes showing at Circle Cinema beginning tomorrow (Thursday) Tulsa   Leslie Moyer
  • [ok-sus] Re: Manufactured Landscapes showing at Circle Cinema beginning tomorrow (Thursday) Tulsa   Leslie Moyer
    • [ok-sus] Re: Manufactured Landscapes showing at Circle Cinema beginning tomorrow (Thursday) Tulsa   Shawna K. Turner
      • [ok-sus] Re: Manufactured Landscapes showing at Circle Cinema beginning tomorrow (Thursday) Tulsa   Leslie Moyer
• [ok-sus] Ag Chemical Companies ''git r done''   Harlan Hentges
  • [ok-sus] Ag Chemical Companies ''git r done''   Robert Waldrop
• [ok-sus] Philosophical Question re: food   Harlan Hentges
  • [ok-sus] responsibility   Kerry Lund
  • [ok-sus] Walk the Talk   Jane Talkington
    • [ok-sus] Walk the Talk   Robert Waldrop
      • [ok-sus] Walk the Talk   Shauna Struby
      • [ok-sus] Walk the Talk   Broyles, Gil
      • [ok-sus] Demand Destruction Recommendations   Robert Waldrop
      • [ok-sus] Walk the Talk   David Rushton
      • [ok-sus] spreadsheet, shmeadsheet.... Green makes life easier   Harlan Hentges
      • [ok-sus] spreadsheet, shmeadsheet.... Green makes life easier   Shauna Struby
      • [ok-sus] Walk the Talk   Robert Waldrop
      • [ok-sus] Walk the Talk   Kelley C Smith
      • [ok-sus] Walk the Talk   Julie Gahn
      • [ok-sus] Green Jobs Campaigns   Julie Gahn
      • [ok-sus] Walk the Talk   Shauna Struby
      • [ok-sus] Walk the Talk   Julie Gahn
      • [ok-sus] Walk the Talk   Coffman, Theresa M.
      • [ok-sus] Salvation Army   Broyles, Gil
• [ok-sus] Solar thermosiphon workshop cancelled due to lack of interest   Robert Waldrop
• [ok-sus] Walk the Talk   Gtelmore at aol.com
• [ok-sus] Re:Demand Side Management- What would you do?   DEUXMOOSE at aol.com
  • [ok-sus] Re:Demand Side Management- What would you do?   Broyles, Gil
  • [ok-sus] Re:Demand Side Management- What would you do?   Leslie Moyer
    • [ok-sus] Demand Side Management- What would you do?   Harlan Hentges
• [ok-sus] Red Rock Partners Formally Terminate Project   Broyles, Gil
  • [ok-sus] Red Rock Partners Formally Terminate Project   Shawna K. Turner
• [ok-sus] Demand Side “conservation” Management Program Suggestions   DEUXMOOSE at aol.com
• [ok-sus] About the IPCC   Bill Bryant
• [ok-sus] Walk the Talk   Thinkcivic at aol.com
• [ok-sus] Utilities scrap Red Rock plant proposal   Shauna Struby
• [ok-sus] Re:Demand Side Management- What would you do?   david at thinkology.org
• [ok-sus] Gaviotas!   Robert Waldrop
  • [ok-sus] Gaviotas!   Shauna Struby
    • [ok-sus] Re-evaluation of suburbia.   David Rushton
• [ok-sus] 3 interesting links on reusing bujilding materials and deconstructing for re-use   Robert Waldrop
• [ok-sus] responsibility ?   Mr George Suiter
• [ok-sus] Gaviotas!   Thinkcivic at aol.com
• [ok-sus] For info(FW)-- Nottingham 500 year plan   Sharon Gordon
  • [ok-sus] Smart Cars Tour Oct.13th&14th, at Cherry St. Coffeehouse, Tulsa   Rita Scott
• [ok-sus] OSN Conference Update   Mc Kee, Kara J.
• [ok-sus] Walk the Talk -- solar cooking info   Kelley C Smith
• [ok-sus] Utility-scale solar power   Robert Waldrop
  • [ok-sus] Utility-scale solar power   Jean MCMAHON
• Solar ovens; was Re: [ok-sus] Walk the Talk   Leslie Moyer
• [ok-sus] Walk the Talk   Padre
  • [ok-sus] House Rehab Options for Low Income and Elderly   Sam Stalcup
  • [ok-sus] House Rehab Options for Low Income and Elderly   Robert Waldrop
  • [ok-sus] House Rehab Options for Low Income and Elderly   karen.spradlin at sbcglobal.net
  • [ok-sus] House Rehab Options for Low Income and Elderly   Montelle Clark
  • [ok-sus] House Rehab Options for Low Income and Elderly   Robert Waldrop
  • [ok-sus] House Rehab Options for Low Income and Elderly   Smith, Richard
  • [ok-sus] House Rehab Options for Low Income and Elderly   kim.cooper-hart at okc.gov
  • [ok-sus] House Rehab Options for Low Income and Elderly   Shawna K. Turner
  • [ok-sus] House Rehab Options for Low Income and Elderly   Phil Floyd
  • [ok-sus] Power problem in Ardmore   Padre
  • [ok-sus] Power problem in Ardmore   Broyles, Gil
  • [ok-sus] Power problem in Ardmore and more   Cain, Nancy
  • [ok-sus] Power problem in Ardmore and more   Broyles, Gil
  • [ok-sus] Power problem in Ardmore   Broyles, Gil
• [ok-sus] responsibility and human population   Harlan Hentges
  • [ok-sus] responsibility and human population   Deborah Dalton
    • [ok-sus] A new Gilded Age   Julie Gahn
• [ok-sus] FW: Focus: "The 2% Solution" -- 10, 000 screenings / Powershift! / David Orr on Weds call   Deborah Dalton
• [ok-sus] Straw bale homes in Oklahoma   Shields, Susie
  • [ok-sus] Straw bale homes in Oklahoma   Shauna Struby
• [ok-sus] Keep Oklahoma Beautiful (KOB) Recognizes OSN   kim.cooper-hart at okc.gov
• [ok-sus] From the HEARTLAND FLYER list serve: 500K for RailRunner   Gtelmore at aol.com
• [ok-sus] Light Rail Now: Austin transit developments / A few other thoughts...   Gtelmore at aol.com
• [ok-sus] Latest from Matthew Simmons   Robert Waldrop
• [ok-sus] Re: Straw Bale   tom temple
• [ok-sus] Freegans   Lisa Monahan
  • [ok-sus] Freegans   Sharon
  • [ok-sus] Freegans   Padre
    • [ok-sus] Freegans   Robert Waldrop
      • [ok-sus] Freegans   Sean Griffin
      • [ok-sus] Freegans   Lisa Monahan
      • [ok-sus] Freegans   Robert Waldrop
  • [ok-sus] Freegans   Shauna Struby
• [ok-sus] Local Food and Gifts and A Green Christmas   Harlan Hentges
  • [ok-sus] Local Food and Gifts and A Green Christmas   Shields, Susie
  • [ok-sus] Local Food and Gifts and A Green Christmas   kim.cooper-hart at okc.gov
    • [ok-sus] Local Food and Gifts and A Green Christmas   Lisa Monahan
  • [ok-sus] Local Food and Gifts and A Green Christmas   Shawna K. Turner
• [ok-sus] Kansas Says 'No' to Big Coal-Fired Power Plant   Montelle Clark
• [ok-sus] FW: Local Foods Dinner this Friday night!   Corey Williams
  • [ok-sus] FW: Local Foods Dinner this Friday night!   Shawna K. Turner
    • [ok-sus] FW: Local Foods Dinner this Friday night!   Shauna Struby
• [ok-sus] DEQ Release: $$$ AVAILABLE FOR SCHOOL RECYCLING   DEUXMOOSE at aol.com
• [ok-sus] Guide for anti-bottled water activists   Shields, Susie
• [ok-sus] Fw: food sustainability survey   Robert Waldrop
• [ok-sus] Freegans - awesome.   Todd Stephens
• [ok-sus] Freegans   B Cloud
• [ok-sus] Freegans   B Cloud
• [ok-sus] Freegans   B Cloud
• [ok-sus] An Urgent Challenge Faced by Local Food and Farmers   Harlan Hentges
• [ok-sus] Steep decline in oil production brings risk of war and unrest, says new study   Shauna Struby
• [ok-sus] biodiesel availability   Robert Waldrop
  • [ok-sus] biodiesel availability   Robert Waldrop
    • [ok-sus] biodiesel availability   Padre
      • [ok-sus] biodiesel availability   Robert Waldrop
• [ok-sus] A thought experiment and the December bond issue   Robert Waldrop
• [ok-sus] Planet in Peril - CNN Oct. 23-24   Shields, Susie
• [ok-sus] Top 15 Green Colleges and Universities   Shields, Susie
  • [ok-sus] readings on socio-economics, cooperatives, etc..   Rex Wycherley
• [ok-sus] OKRA Recycling Newsletter #2   Shields, Susie
• [ok-sus] From NY Times: Montana and Kansas Take on Big Coal   Miles, Karen
  • [ok-sus] 5 Cheap & Easy Organics: Milk,Potatoes,PB,Ketchup, Apples   Jane Talkington
• [ok-sus] The Sustainability Handbook   Miles, Karen
• [ok-sus] The Wall Street Journal on corn-based ethanol   Shields, Susie
  • [ok-sus] The Wall Street Journal on corn-based ethanol   oklaterry at cox.net
• [ok-sus] Evaluation of Smart Growth on the Ground   Miles, Karen
• [ok-sus] From NY Times: The Future Is Drying Up   Miles, Karen
• [ok-sus] Save the Planet: Vote Smart   Miles, Karen
• [ok-sus] From NY Times: How Green Is My Garden?   Miles, Karen
• [ok-sus] From NY Times: The Green-Collar Solution   Miles, Karen
• [ok-sus] Sears Joins EPA to Help Protect the Planet - One Old Ice Box at a Time   Miles, Karen
• [ok-sus] Re-evaluation of suburbia.   david at thinkology.org
  • [ok-sus] Great idea re suburbia.   Harlan Hentges
    • [ok-sus] Use Less Stuff Tips   Shields, Susie
      • [ok-sus] Use Less Stuff Tips   Sylvia Pratt
  • [ok-sus] Re-evaluation of suburbia.   John Miggins
  • [ok-sus] Re-evaluation of suburbia.   Kelley C Smith
    • [ok-sus] Re-evaluation of suburbia.   Broyles, Gil
    • [ok-sus] Re-evaluation of suburbia.   Robert Waldrop
    • [ok-sus] Re-evaluation of suburbia.   Deborah Dalton
• [ok-sus] State Fair Board selling 1879 locomotive to California museum?   Gtelmore at aol.com
• [ok-sus] Take Oklahoma's Recycling Pledge for America Recycles Day - Win great prizes!   Shields, Susie
• [ok-sus] Gore to risk arrest for protesting?   Chas Gross
• [ok-sus] State Fair leaders: Historic locomotive stays...   Gtelmore at aol.com
  • [ok-sus] Useful information on Sustainability   Loretta Oden
  • [ok-sus] Sustainable OKC energy transition summit   Shauna Struby
  • [ok-sus] Useful information on Sustainability   Shauna Struby
• [ok-sus] New Oklahoma law makes assisting undocument residents a felony   Robert Waldrop
  • [ok-sus] New Oklahoma law makes assisting undocument residents afelony   Sharon Gordon
  • [ok-sus] New Oklahoma law makes assisting undocument residents a felony   Shauna Struby
    • [ok-sus] New Oklahoma law makes assisting undocument residents a felony   sarah munson
  • [ok-sus] New Oklahoma law makes assisting undocument residents afelony   Bill Bryant
    • [ok-sus] New Oklahoma law makes assisting undocument residents afelony   Stalcup, Samuel R.
• [ok-sus] Fw: Oklahoma Water Resources Seminars   Robert Waldrop
• [ok-sus] Not an environment scare story   Shauna Struby
• [ok-sus] Tulsa Biofuels - Biodiesel Availability Coming.   Todd Stephens
  • [ok-sus] Tulsa Biofuels - Biodiesel Availability Coming.   Robert Waldrop
• [ok-sus] Where in the world is Bob Waldrop, was immigration law rant   Robert Waldrop
• [ok-sus] Hi, I'm new   B Cloud
• [ok-sus] Re-evaluation of suburbia.   Cheryl Dorrance
  • [ok-sus] Re-evaluation of suburbia.   Sylvia Pratt
    • [ok-sus] Re-evaluation of suburbia.   Deborah Dalton
      • [ok-sus] Tulsa Entrepreneurial Award Invitation   Sean Griffin
      • [ok-sus] What to do with stock-tank goldfish in winter.   Sylvia Pratt
• [ok-sus] Sustainable Building Design & Construction - 5 month course   Leslie Moyer
• [ok-sus] Quivira Coalition Conference--Building Resilience: Creating Hope in an Age of Consequences   Leslie Moyer
• [ok-sus] FW: Keep Oklahoma Beautiful Event   kim.cooper-hart at okc.gov
  • [ok-sus] Oct.30th@7:00p.m.@Circle Cinema, 'Cultivating Change' film and discussion   Rita Scott
• [ok-sus] Organic food is healthier: study   Shauna Struby
• [ok-sus] Globalization and the End of the Guns and Butter Economy   Shawna K. Turner
  • [ok-sus] Globalization and the End of the Guns and Butter Economy   David Rushton
• [ok-sus] K-12 Energy Lesson Plans and Activities   Wanda DeBruler
  • [ok-sus] Transportation-get involved! Attend meetings, send email suggestions!   Rita Scott
• [ok-sus] Nov. 10th Compost Seminar and Contest (Tulsa area)   Ande Reed
• [ok-sus] OG&E Looks to Quadruple Wind Power   Broyles, Gil
• [ok-sus] Hi, I'm new pt. 2   B Cloud
• [ok-sus] Step It Up 2 - Who's A Leader? event in Oklahoma City   Robert Waldrop
• [ok-sus] FCC: International Gift Fair (Tulsa - Nov. 10th & 11th)   Ande Reed
• [ok-sus] Religious Leaders and Climate Change   Montelle Clark
• [ok-sus] [Fwd: ATTRA Appeal]   Leslie Moyer
• [ok-sus] National Animal Identification System: A Threat to Local Food   Robert Waldrop

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